0:49CAnd I found that the way that they had set it up was pretty HIPAA compliant. So I was like, Okay, cool. What would be interesting is every time I went to the hospital, I never had an opportunity to kind of like aggregate all of my data in one place. I moved to like 5 different places. So I was just like, okay, if I go to Philly, then I have all my Philly stuff. If I go here, I got all my stuff here.
1:12BBut like, no one is -- Like EpicSoft?
1:14CYeah, like some use EpicSoft.
1:16AThat’s a good question. I like that.
1:17BThat’s a good reference.
1:17AI’m handing you a mic again.
1:19BYou can clip it on your blanket so you can still be warm.
1:23CSome use Epic, but then some use other ERP softwares. And it was very annoying because it was just kind of like -- and then also each of the hospitals had different insurances at one point. So the stuff in Philly was like under my parents’ insurance when I was -- before I turned 26. So that was a different framework than like when I got my own insurance in Nashville, and they wouldn’t accept each other’s information. So I kind of had to like go back and redo all of my stuff.
1:52ASo I was like, this is insane.
1:54CSo I built a thing, it was called like Active Health, and it kind of helped me aggregate all the information together and it used Civic ID as like the base. And then I was like, wait, because this is like a blockchain technology and it’s public, that means you could build on top of this. It was like Lego blocks. So the idea was like, okay, maybe I can hook this in with like different insurances or like different opportunities where like if you don’t have insurance, then I can still find you like the best places for you to get And then I was like, well, if we’re using a token or we have a token that can build and generate commissions, then what if I had like buybacks or paybacks so that like people who are actively using the app, instead of you having to go through insurance to answer the copay, by nature of you having your data here and us like kind of storing it, we could fund that for you. So I got second place, ended up getting like 10 ETH at the time, which was like maybe $80. But like, I was like, oh, wow.
2:50BYeah, it was back then. Yeah, it was sick though.
2:53CBecause I was like, you know what, like, I got -- this is real money, I guess. Yeah. And so I was like, well, how do I spend it? Where do I go with this? I found CryptoKitties and I was like, NFTs, interesting concept. I want to build something like this. Talked to a friend of mine, 2019, 2020, we built our own, we made our own things, realized in the space like there’s no platform for us to kind of share it and you had to be accepted in other ones. And I was like, well, I don’t know these people and People like from SuperRare, for example, they’re not artists and they don’t know shit about the art industry. Why do I need their approval to put out something? So didn’t do that. At the same time, COVID happens. Clubhouse is crazy. I’m telling people I’m making workshops on Clubhouse on how to mint NFTs.
3:39BAre you familiar with the Black Bitcoin Boomers? Yeah, I was one of the moderators on there.
3:44CYou know what is so crazy? I’ve seen the face before and I feel like I’ve seen you somewhere. That’s when I had locks.
3:50AI remember I met you at Vox.
3:54COkay, now it’s all coming back.
3:55AWere you bald last year? Yeah, I was thinking that.
3:58BIt was a fade. Yeah, sorry. Every year it’s been a different look. It went from box braids to fade to afro. Gotta keep them guessing. It looks good. That’s that pseudo anonymity right there.
4:11CBut, uh, yeah, I remember them because I remember chopping it up with Bitcoin Zay at one point, um, a bunch of other people with like It’s wild how --
4:19ACrazy, right? We were just talking about him.
4:21CNo, you know what’s crazy? What’s wild about Clubhouse was like all the people that were talking about this in some shape, form, or fashion, even if they hated it, all ended up becoming like the folks that first adopted the thing. And so like that, like groundswell from ’19 to ’22 was outrageous. But specifically 2020 and ’21 was like this nexus point where I think especially folks that looked like us was like, dog, we gotta get in this shit. Today. Today. And it was dope because what you guys were doing and then what, like, I serendipitously ended up doing was like onboarding folks in an approachable way where it was like, wait a minute, I can see myself doing something with this and it doesn’t seem so amorphous.
5:07CWe had this tangibility in like talking about how blockchain could serve us And how we could like gain value from it without us like losing ourselves in the process. I think ultimately it was, it was like one of the best things that we could ever do. However, the only unfortunate part is that we didn’t have enough of us that had outsized amount of capital to like continue pushing it at the heights that like once the sauce came in and then they got a chance to touch the sauce, then we already know what happened.
5:38AYeah.
5:39CSo that became like a problem. But like at the time, I started Mint Fund. We help artists mint NFTs for free. It happened because a friend of mine, his name is Late Effects. He made -- he was like on Twitter and was like, “Yo, if you help me fund this mint,” because at the time it was like $23, like mint anything. He was like, “Yo, I’ll share the profit if I sell it.” So I helped him. I got $600 in my wallet. What’s happening? He’s like, yo, I sold the piece. I was like, oh, shit. So it’s my other homie Carlos. He started Forefront from -- he’s from Cabo Verde. And I was like, yo, dude, we should do something with this brand. He’s like, yeah, let’s just pay it forward. We put a tweet out that went bonkers at the time. Early Zora, early Foundation, early One Origin. They came through and they said, yo, listen, we’re going to send you ETH. Like just bankroll as many artists as possible. That led to the Digital Diaspora in 2021. That led to the Crypto Cookout we ended up doing. We bought the 2 CryptoPunks, or the 2 Black CryptoPunks specifically. And then I ended up like doing an esports org called BLVKHVND.
6:49AOkay. They won? You guys won a tournament?
6:52CYeah, esports world tournament. We play Pokémon Unite, Apex Legends.
6:58BHalo, COD, the whole nine.
6:59CYeah. We were kind of going -- we were nuts. We had like 6 teams full strength, like 2022, ’23. And then I’ve done like a bunch of other different types of things. But the idea was always around like there’s a singular goal or idea. We know how to fund and coordinate finances, like the idea of like getting people to put in a dollar or whatever the case is. But the second half of the equation is something that I’ve always been trying to actually really eke out the most was What happens when the goal has been met? We funded the thing, or even if the thing didn’t work, now that we have all this interest and we have all this capital, how do we translate that into soft power that makes real outcomes happen? Not just like for ourselves from a financial perspective, but from like a societal and cultural perspective. Like if the idea, like if starting the idea is innocuous As like a game, for instance. But now that we have this outsized capital, what can we do with it? More so than just being like, okay, we secured that, right?
8:02BHave you heard of BitDevs?
8:04CYeah, I have.
8:05BIs that -- I don’t know if BitDevs is big here in America.
8:08CNot necessarily, no, because there’s like other groups that I guess kind of like have that sort of like same plan, if you folks. I think it’s like there are 2 groups and I’m failing to think of the names of them right now, but they’re sort of similar. But I do know of it, and that’s because like in Carcastle there was like this group that talked specifically about them and they were working and they were doing like their organization. So I was like, oh, okay, cool, like, now I’m gonna tap them and follow them.
8:40BLike, if you’re looking for developers and you got capital, like, there’s developers in Nairobi, Kenya That is like excellent. You talk about a game, there’s a dude named Jonah, um, who actually created like a Super Mario Kart game with cryptocurrency embedded in it. He had to stop because, uh, he didn’t have the capital to keep it pushing.
8:59AYeah.
9:00BUm, so you guys got the capital. Developers out there are big, and relative to the capital you need for a developer here, right? I mean, you’re talking probably like 10% of what you pay here. People pay out there, they’re still happy. Like, they’re more than, more than happy because the cost of living is different, right? Right. So I mean, I would highly recommend checking out, um, big devs like Nairobi, and you can find a whole bunch of people that are right there with you. They’re gonna work harder for a lot less, and you know, they don’t have to worry about like $1,000 a month in Kenya. You’re living very well, right? So $1,000 a month here, that’s all you’re giving the developer here. It’s nothing. They can’t live off of that. They’re laughing at you.
9:43ACorrect. No, that’s a fact.
9:44BYou’ll probably be able to get a whole lot more work and a lot more detail-oriented like presentation than you would out here just because of the capital. Hey, you want to make sure you budget that money quick because once it’s gone, it’s gone. Yeah, that’s a fact. I’m an accountant, so like for me, that’s that’s my specialty. Hey, where where do we go that can bring us the most for a dollar? Right. Without compromising like integrity.
10:09CYeah, I mean, you know, that’s interesting that you bring that up because, um, to me, I feel like as it relates to the groundswell of AI that’s coming up right now, I think part of it’s bubble, um, part of it is West-East arms race.
10:26BYeah, for sure.
10:26CAnd we’ve already pretty much lost that. Um, they’re not gonna admit it, but we lost, we lost that shit. China has cooked us. Completely on that shit, like 100%. But I do think that there’s an impending market correction in relation to the talent pool of folks that, A, like, I think in order for you to be good at AI right now, you still currently need to have foundational skills to know how to prompt so that you can get to the right stuff with a great sense of eco or like Economy of knowledge. So if you -- because if you don’t understand the things, you end up spending way more tokens, you end up spending way more time spinning your wheel trying to like --
11:12BCost of tuition.
11:13CExactly. I’ve been there. Exactly. And so it’s like when you still have a culture of like developers, for example, in other places that still have the course filled, then the commodity becomes hotter. And so it’s like in a way it’s almost like It’s smart to utilize a group like BitDevs because you almost hedge against the impending bubble that may burst on the AI side. And if it does burst now, those devs are going to be hot. So like, what, it’s $1,000 a month now ends up being $3,000 versus if you decided to just go all in on AI, but then that stuff ends up offending due to policy right now, you’ve got a massive clawback of A lot of towns and cities that are pushing away from like hyper data centers, they’re putting moratoriums on them.
12:02CSo that means there’s less access to compute. And if you got to loan that compute elsewhere from other countries, you got the tariffs on that, like that costs a lot of money. So the cost of like keeping that sustainable, I don’t really see it happening in the next -- unless like the only way this works is if you have Republicans still kind of Pushing the line through. We don’t have this generation in which we can kind of guard.
12:26BI think I think this new technology is going to redraw the political lines. Hundred percent. Like if you go back to the to the sixties, when Strom Thurmond switched from being a Democrat to a Republican, it shifted the whole like scene of who’s a Democrat, who’s a Republican. You go back in time, most black people were Republicans.
12:47C100%.
12:48BBut it was when Strom Thurmond switched and he became a Republican, all of a sudden, all of a sudden it became like the racist quote-unquote party, right? Right. A lot of people started switching. And I think right now we look at the clarity that you have old money versus new money. It has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat. Yeah. And I think it’s going to shift into the old money is going to go one way, right? The new money is going to go a new way. And whatever the young money is, that’s where I’m going to be. I could care less if it’s Democrat or Republican.
13:17AYou feel like new money is trying to force the hand?
13:19BI think the technology is forcing it, period. We don’t got to try. All I got to do is use. Like, it’s the old money who’s trying to keep power. Yeah, yeah. All I got to do is use Bitcoin. I’m not forcing nothing. I don’t care. I could care less about a Clarity app. I’m going to use Bitcoin regardless. They can’t stop it. Right. It’s -- they’re the ones who are trying to stop it so that they can stay in power. In control, right? The last, what, 4, 3, 4 presidencies? You had Trump, you had Biden, you got Trump 3. They’re all like 70-some years old, so they don’t represent me. Like, no, like, at least Obama was, you know, young. He plays basketball still. Like, even Clinton, at least he played the saxophone. Bush was able to dodge a shoe. Now we got these guys. These guys -- I really did weave that shit. These guys, these guys were in their 20s during the ’60s, right? Right, right. I mean, even if they aren’t racist, the idea of, wow, these Black people made a lot of progress, has got to be terrifying.
14:21C100%.
14:21BLike, even if you’re not equal, to see them go from, oh, they can’t drink the same water, to the presidency, that’s got to be a huge adjustment.
14:33CFacts. Within 60 years too is nutty. Correct.
14:37BAbsolutely insane. So I mean, I’m not going to give them like the benefit of the doubt. What I’m going to do is I’m going to say, hey, if I was 20 and all of a sudden now we have transhumanism where we’re half robot, half people, I might be terrified.
14:55CYeah, I understand, I understand the situation, but it’s like you don’t expect Gives the shit, but it’s like, you get it.
15:00BYeah. And if I became president, they would probably be looking at me like, oh wow, you really just don’t like --
15:06Ait’s like if the AI agent ran our country, right?
15:09BAnd I’m like, no, I’m -- I, I don’t know if I’m -- I’m not racist against y’all.
15:12CI just, I just don’t know that shit.
15:14BI don’t understand it. And I feel like it’s the same thing with a Biden or a Trump. They just don’t understand this, and they’re just old. Sometimes you gotta, you know, Steve Jobs said that death Death can be the best invention of life because eventually the old become like extinct. And right now we’re the young people.
15:33AIt’s -- we are the ones.
15:34BAnd we them. Like, it’s one of those things where it’s like we need to do it now because one day we’ll become old and we’ll be cleared away, right? Death is the single most important invention to life.
15:46AThat’s a fact.
15:47BAnd so I’m glad that those guys were I’m ready for a whole party. I’m ready for some younger people to get in there. But we got to be careful because the last young president we had in there, JFK, did a lot of good and they killed him off right in front of his mom, right in front of his wife.
16:02CSo yeah, definitely. Hey, but you know what though? It’s one of those things where, as far as I’m like looking at, I was just recently in Michigan over the summer. I was helping a friend of mine, um, try to win a House seat in the 14th District. District of Michigan, which is like Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Benton Harbor, and a few other different places. But in any case, he’s Black and he’s indigenous to the Potawatomi tribe that’s out there. And one thing that we were having a large discussion about because we were trying to build a progressive Democrat coalition between him and then like I think 6 or 7 other Progressives that were in various areas of Michigan. And the one thing that we kept like kind of like running into was this very interesting dynamic of older folks that are saying we need change, but not your change.
16:55BCorrect.
16:56CAnd it’s such a weird like dichotomy to like sit in because it’s like, you say you want something different than what we have, but what’s being proposed is isn’t what you want, but what you want is what we propose. So it’s like, in a way, like, is it the messaging? Is it the presentation? Is it a combination of both? Or is it one of those things where it’s like, oh, like, I, I’m afraid to admit that something needs to happen, and even though I see that the change is right there and I can tangibly me touch it, I’m still not going to go out on a limb and say this is right.
17:36BYeah, the way -- I agree with you. The way I’ve interpreted in my own mind -- what, what was the woman’s name? Gingrich?
17:45CGinsburg.
17:48BYeah, Ginsburg. Okay, I don’t know where you’re going. Continue to work when you’re literally dying. Facts.
17:56CThey’re, they’re bringing you in But wheeling her, you know, like Diane Feinstein, same thing. Yeah, she’s like 98 years old. She’s got a tourniquet, bro. It’s crazy.
18:04BMitch McConnell has been in the hospital and you’re coming, bro. You got money. Yeah, you’re gonna eat, right?
18:12AThey fear losing their power, but you’re losing your life, right? Like, you want to die with it instead of live without it.
18:18BYour power, like, there’s something --
18:20Cyou can’t take it with you.
18:23AThey need to listen to some Fetty Wap. That’s a fact.
18:26BSo to me, I think a lot of older generations looking at that, and I can’t relate because I’m not, you know, decrepit. Like, I can’t relate because I’m not rich. Like, like, I can’t relate, but I’m seeing the patterns and I’m like, man, look, if all of y’all aren’t trying to give up your power even at 70, 80, 90 years old, it’s got to be something. But I mean, I can’t relate. I never had that much power.
18:49CWhat you know what’s nuts though is that like I think the other thing is folks know where the bodies are buried, so it’s like if if they were retired, then they don’t get to enjoy the wealth that they’ve accumulated. I.e. stole. I.e. like taken from other different places because the minute that they’re out into the public eye, now they could be under scrutiny. Yeah. Now their scrutiny can translate into Real legitimate legal action. That can legit -- that can turn into like legitimate retaliation, for example. And like a lot of these people that are currently sitting in office right now, they got some shit.
19:26BOh yeah, for sure.
19:27CAnd so it’s like, in a way, it’s like we need to sit here until we literally die in the chair because that’s how we avoid persecution. Yeah, knowing that like we are no longer here to make decisions or whatever the case is. They’re past that. They’re beyond it. They’re like, I don’t want to, in my dying breath, be weighed over with the guilt of all the things I’ve done. They wanna chase absolution.
19:57AReally?
19:57CAnd it’s like, even if people don’t believe in hereafter, for example, like, yo, you don’t You, you -- there’s a debt you’ve left here. You’re paying for that in some, in some way, whether it’s like the people that come after you, the folks that you’ve affected need to pay for that shit, some spiritual karmic shit you pay for. Something is being paid for. Everything has to balance out.
20:20BIt’s a math equation. That happened. Don’t quote me on the years, it’s been a while, but some of those officers that were German Nazis, they wanted to get called out in their Like ’95.
20:33CYeah, I get what you’re saying.
20:37AEichmann. Eichmann in Jerusalem. That whole book by, uh, what’s her name? She’s like the Jewish girl, Hannah Arendt. She’s talking about like the -- they went and got this nigga from Argentina, this dude from Argentina, right? And brought him -- and brought him back to hold him on trial. And so this old dude is sitting there, right, being like, you know, essentially like you’re saying, held accountable for these crimes against humanity.
20:55BHe didn’t get caught with new cases for old crimes. They got to keep their power.
21:00CWe have to. We have to. I think part of that -- that’s a big -- that’s a very big topic. And part of the -- I think part of the reason why this Bitcoin and like this crypto shit’s so raw is because if we’re able to become unplugged from a financial perspective, It allows us to then utilize and wield our time to hold people accountable without being stuck within the process.
21:31AThat’s also true.
21:35CThat’s that’s the thing that you have to have.
21:38AThat’s a fact. But the thing is, you know, as long as you have to take someone out of survival mode, especially around an environment or community that Structure to thrive based on accountability.
21:53CYou know, you got a better chance of success.
21:57AIt takes that initiative to be able to create that environment, right? And considering the system we in, we ain’t got that, you know, saying established. But I do want to talk to you though, because you accountant. Yeah, yeah. It’s a couple things.
22:11BThat’s my whole that’s what about professionals knowing everything accountable.
22:16ABalance. Yeah, so like I do want to get your information and shit like that because once I get my my application, I’m gonna be on the line. Once I get the job and shit, I definitely want to see if you can be someone that’s an accountant for me.
22:32CI promise, I promise. But because you was up there talking and shit, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was making a little note.
22:38AI think I came over there on the phone.
22:40CLike you want to run this body.
22:42AAbout like my idea for like a DAO, right? So you work DAOs?
22:48CYeah, for sure. Oh, for sure.
22:49ASorry. So I was looking at, uh, I already started it. I just need to finish it. I mainly came here to like network to help finish it because I need like educators and business.
23:01CHeavily right now I need educators, you know what I’m saying? Heavily.
23:05BYou talk to Elijah?
23:08AThat’s the one from LA?
23:09BYeah. No, I haven’t talked to her. I would suggest -- she knows all the right people.
23:15AYeah, for sure.
23:20BI noticed we went on tour back to back years, so that’s how I got my network up. So I know people who do DAOs, but I don’t know how many of them are here right now.
23:33AYeah, yeah, me too. Like, starting it down and stuff like that ain’t a problem, you know what I’m saying?
23:38BIt’s like, that’s a good statement.
23:41ALike, I’m looking for like educators to implement certain criteria within the DAO, you know what I’m saying? So that’s what it is, because this is basically my construct of DAOs, like the governance, right?
23:51BYou know, like right now what we’re taking in is, uh, basically goes into democracy, right? He was trying to give Black Americans a billion dollars. Oh yeah, U.S. Treasury lost it. It was like, nah, you ain’t giving me that money. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And right after that -- not right after, years later -- he was trying to unite all the African countries to have their monetary system backed by minerals, and they were like, nah, not a matter of fact, you got to go now. You bad too much.
26:29ANo, what really sparked it for them to say, nah, You got to go, which is under the Obama administration, was Gaddafi was like, “You know what? I’m not going to accept any more fiat currency for our resources.
26:41CYou want to buy from us, you got to have this currency.“ Within 24 hours, they bombed his crew.
26:46AThat’s exactly why Bitcoin is so important because you can’t bomb Bitcoin.
26:53BLike, you can’t destroy it and you can’t control it. And so. So if you can’t, if you can’t stop somebody from joining, essentially you can’t hack it.
27:03AI mean, especially the biggest concern involved in that is quantum computers.
27:09CSo like quantum computers that we currently work with, they can actually literally hack these crypto currencies except for IOTA.
27:17AIOTA crypto currency, they actually structured theirs to where you can’t hack it.
27:22CThey’re great.
27:22BSee, I’m not a developer, but the developers I said they say something different.
27:29ASo I mean, now if you talking about like the whole blockchain, then nah, you know, it’s so it’s so it’s almost like damn near impossible because you got you don’t the nodes is spread out in a certain way. So like you can’t hack into hack the whole blockchain system.
27:45BLike you will have to attack into a certain Oh, certain models?
27:50CYeah, yeah, you got to upgrade the models.
27:51AYeah, man, there’s certain like depending on how you do transactions, like for the most part, at the end of the day, man, maybe biggest thing you should be focused on, right?
28:08BThat’s, that’s, that’s why we here at the Black Blockchain Summit. Now what you doing? What you doing? What you doing?
28:13ALet’s Yo, man, I might need this.
28:15BThere’s a dude who got the augmented reality t-shirts here. I’ve been looking for that since like 2018. I’m gonna just go through.
28:22CI’ve been trying to find that for a long time.
28:25BI used to, uh, I used to work with Gibson in ’08, in 2018. And so yeah, when I went to go to the smart school, I was the one that saw, man, you put the phone into the shirt and got the music video, like the flag waving. I was like, bro, this is dope. I want to do this. I couldn’t find nobody. Today I just found somebody. So that’s why. Yeah. Like he came to my table.
28:47AHe was like, hey, bro, check this out.
28:48CHe showed me how I’ve been waiting for you for 8 years.
28:51BThat’s how I like it. So that’s why we kind of need to figure out who’s doing what. Now he just came to my table. I had a table. He just came to me and showed me his stuff.
29:01AI was like, bro, I’ve been waiting for you, bro. I’m alive, like, and they’re excited and they’re disciplined.
30:26BAnd so they -- you might put 20 of them in the truck and they’re gonna go to a conference in Malawi or in Uganda. They gonna work together.
30:35CYou know, here in America, we were forced to not work together.
30:38BWe were stripped of our mother tongue. We were stripped of -- you know, a lot of times we’d be out there in the field, they got stuff in the tongues and the music. You can’t even talk to one another. So it’s like We were bred to not work together, and that was not mentioned in the NFB. You said what? Not at all. They mentioned my uncle’s route.
30:58ALike, you know what I’m saying? Like, how to keep Black bodies as slaves and stuff like that stuff is still dealing with. You can still see it happening every day.
31:06CThis is the reason.
31:07AYeah, for sure. Bro, what a scam. Why are we riding these slaps? It’s catchy.
31:15BYeah, that melody, but it’s also like why we got this.
31:19ABut what about the message?
31:21BMessage good. But even in the future, young sell that dope. Young can sell that dope. Like, why are we consistently afraid?
31:30CBecause we don’t even do that shit. Correct.
31:38AWhen you, when you listening to a song and you actually like vibing to it, you know what I’m saying? You’re singing along with it. You actually feeding that, you know what I’m saying?
31:49BSo regardless if you with it or not, you still feeding that as an icon.
31:55AFaith comes by hearing.
31:57BHearing is a form of consumption. You are whatever you consume. Whether you eat it, see it, right? Like that, that’s That’s what this is. So when you’re feeding yourself poison from a music perspective, considering that hip-hop is the number one culture in the world, we’re feeding ourselves negativity consistently.
32:17AAnd even if you look at some of these TikTok dancers, they’re doing it to the worst songs.
32:22CAbsolutely. I’m like, why in the world?
32:25BAfrica is not like that. They rap about God. Yeah, literally, right? I’m like, yeah, in Kenya, I’ll be at the club, like, we’re all drinking, having a good time, and I know we’re gonna play a gospel song, and people will be in there singing gospel songs. I’m like, what just happened? And they’re like, hey, even when we’re drunk, we still gotta praise God. I’m like, okay, amazing. You don’t, you don’t, you don’t get that in the clubs out here.
32:59AWhere you from? Which part? I’m from Benin side. From what? I’m from Benin side.
33:12BBenin? Benin? Yeah, Benin. Benin.
33:16AI’m saying wrong? No, no, no, you say Benin. Yeah, yeah, say Benin.
33:21BBenin. That’s like if I say Tanzania versus Tanzania.
33:25ASo it is a spiritual country. Okay, you can ask anybody else, go to YouTube and check. So I don’t know about different, like different African countries, but I’m not too much into doing it. So apart from my country, I have Togo. Togo, they’re quite spiritual. Yeah. There are no, there are no power to have that. So, you know, we don’t know all the country when I’m saying why not, right? So there are country, there is not any country that is Africa that don’t listen. Yeah, you know what I’m saying? Let God use us for our lives. You know, you keep on kissing and letting you know what’s going on. That you know, tell you different way or either wake up, you know, like tell me when. No one is now going through. It’s not no world you go through, you know, spiritually. All the average is spiritual. True. Like what I can say, you know, Jesus too, you know, you can go into what Jesus going through.
34:35BTrue, for sure.
34:36AYou feel what I’m saying? Yeah. So. Imagine like somebody that are walking on the fire, you know what I’m saying? Like a fire, you know what I’m saying? And a real life and you walk on top of fire, like something like a 10 minutes, even 10 minutes, you know what I’m saying? Because now nobody can walk in the fire in 10 minutes. So even that is like a punishment, you know what I’m saying? So it’s not like Jesus is like a real woman be like this. Like me, nobody teach me, nobody say nothing for me, but I learn about myself, you know what I’m saying?
35:09ASometimes the world talking, you know what I’m saying? The world is talking. So even Jesus is like a human being like us. We can’t go into -- you know what I’m saying? Like, let’s say the case, Jesus, you know, like, I don’t want to go too much story about Jesus, but what I’m saying, like All the pain that I feel on the video that they post, or the story, you know, forget about the video, the story. Why? Because everything was going through his life, right? So even whatever I was going through is nothing that anybody right here can go through, because we are the sons of God.
35:51ASo me, as me personally, you know, I believe that We have a God. Sure.
35:56BYou know what I’m saying?
35:57AI believe Jesus, but the reason I’m not too big into Jesus, because why? I believe in a king called God. You know what I’m saying? Because God gives us energy from believing that I choose you as a -- you know what I’m saying? Like, you know, so something like that for me, I feel like let me face the king, you know what I’m saying? That’s me, God. So I take myself like Jesus too.
36:24BYeah.
36:25AYou know what I’m saying? So Jesus is like, we won’t be like us, you know what I’m saying? Because the story is true. They’re born in, let’s say, coming, whatever, you know what I’m saying? So it’s like, we personally, like, we’re born, we are born too, you know what I’m saying? We’re not from far off, you know what I’m saying? So we are charged with God. So why God believe us? He’s just, right? Why you want to believe us? You feel what I’m saying? So how God gonna believe you depend how you believe yourself. That’s the Holy Spirit.
37:03BThat was the gift that we was given.
37:05ASo I’m on the same -- no, I appreciate because when you talk about you come to Church, you know, church around. I don’t even know what that is. It’s not, it’s not even just Africa. Even America, we have church, you know, like center, different location. You can see spiritual house or something. So it’s not like Africa, like you can see face to face. When I say face to face, Like you see the spiritual face to face, you know, they will show you, you know, like so all around the world they have a different vibe, you know what I’m saying? Different religion, like Africa have more different lifestyle, like different vibe, different movement, you know what I’m saying? It’s better out there.
37:59BI can’t wait to get back.
38:02ADifferent. So for you to understand, you understand, is to understand yourself, right? You understand? No way for somebody to tell you to understand yourself. Right. What’s your mother tongue?
38:18BLike your tribal language? Tribal language?
38:22AUh-huh. I speak 5 languages, so let me say French.
38:29BYeah. No, that’s the colonizer language.
38:32ALike, so French, like, no, French is a community language, right? Where I’m from, as a name, we speak of French, and, uh, French is developed once in a while, but the same thing is a global, you know, like, see, like America, we have different Different people are living here, right? Like a village, they are all like that, right? Outside you will see different people are living there, but probably going to speak 2 language or 3 language for people to understand, like French or Fonseca.
39:09BSo like, so for instance, like in Nigeria they might speak Igbo, like depending if that’s their tribe, or in Kenya they might speak like --
39:17Ayeah, actually you talk about Nigeria I mean, I’m not from Nigeria, but the country where I’m from close to Nigeria, you know what I’m saying? So I’ve been in Nigeria too, you know, I’ve been there a couple of years. So Nigeria, they have Kalaba people, they have Hausa, they have Igbo, they have, you know, they have Hausa too living in Nigeria. They have, you know, those people that speak the Kanangwe. So yeah, from Ajipura, Eastern Nigeria.
39:49BSo which, which, which, we’re like, which, which, which tribe are you from? Which part we are from? Like the name?
39:58ALike, okay, hold on, it’s a 2 billion. Okay, understand. It’s a 1 billion inside Nigeria, it’s a 1 billion outside Nigeria. People from outside So I’m from the outside, you understand? So where I’m from, people are speaking English where I’m from, you know. But I believe the origin for the country is not for speaking English like French. So you know, Nigeria too close to where I’m from. You know, people are left in Nigeria and they come living to where I’m from. So even people who are from the media speaking English, you know. Because people are traveling, you know what I’m saying? Who are around, like me last time. I grew up, I stayed in the street. I’m not going to school to learn English, you know what I’m saying? I learned from the street.
40:48BYou go back to Nigeria, you know what I’m saying?
40:50ABecause it’s very close. So I grew up in the street. I always learned to speak English after school. And so I’m not going to school to speak English. You learn all this at home?
41:04BYou learn, you learn, bro. You’re -- hey, 5 languages learned on your own? I’m trying to learn, I’m trying to learn Spanish and Kiswahili now. Uh, uh, Spanish and Kiswahili. Spanish language now?
41:20AOkay, it depend how you understand very fast and how much, you know what I mean, as a man. You know, even when you give me a free -- I’m sorry. You okay? You give me like a transport money, you know what I mean? Like every day, you know what I’m saying? Keeping you like -- because, you know, it’s very hard for me.
41:54CYou’ve been learning, learning.
41:56AYeah, for learn. You see, like me now, I appear in the street, I understand English. First of all, I speak broken. So when I came America, I change, you know. I be wise person, so I change. I feel like, you know, the accent is different, you see what I’m saying? So I change myself. Came back home, you know, in the house people came. You see people in the family, um, speak better like a man like this because somebody maybe go to school, you know what I’m saying? Me, I’m not going to school. God just called me. No, I don’t -- yeah, you know what I’m saying? But in my family, nobody speak like me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I have a big brother, you know, speak English better. Yeah, outside he speak to me But he speaks a little bit.
42:45BYeah, that’s like we learned Kiswahili, man.
42:50ANo, you know, I ain’t gonna lie, man, you know, like, you know, when I look my whole life to now, I feel like whatever you tell your kids, you know what I’m saying, push him to school. So first thing, you know, push him to school and then let him be strong. You know what makes strong? Like You don’t need to do something before you go to a regime, like give out some, you know, some legit work, you know what I’m saying? So the body keeps strong to grow up. And at the same time, that’s part going to make your kids keep it strong even in school. They’re not going to fight him, you know what I’m saying? Because you’re going to remember, ah, my dad push me like this. So when anybody do something, you don’t need to think Yeah, you know what I’m saying? They’re gonna tell you that you see your kids, you know what I’m saying, with somebody. So you’re gonna remember I’m the one who teach you.
43:44CYeah, yeah.
43:45BYou know what I’m saying?
43:46ABecause you gotta let your kids be very understanding.
43:50BYeah.
43:52ABecause, you know what I’m saying, I put myself like, well, some people, they fall off. You know what I’m saying?
44:11BYeah, I think here, here in America, you have to be very careful where you put the kids in school because the smarter those kids are, a lot of times the teachers will attack them because here is so much racism. and hatred that even if the kid is doing well, they know how to defend themselves, they’re smart, that’s the kid they normally attack. So you have to make sure whatever school you put them in, it’s full of love. Like, it’s very important that the school you put them in is full of love so that they don’t hate themselves. We were taught -- I was taught specifically --
44:46CFull of love.
44:52BIt was hard to find. I went to school for the hate.
44:55AThat’s all, man. So I stayed my whole life like, okay, uh, I’m not going university, you know. By the time they call me, you know, I can’t -- let me not speak too much, uh, you know, like, uh, family situation. And you know, and tell you that something like that. So let me say, I grew up where they born me with something, nothing, nothing. You feel me? So my dad pushing, pushing all that. So I grew up just like that. I go to school, you know, even to my school, you know, I don’t know people like that. Yeah. You feel me? Because I don’t know what I can explain, but for me, I feel like close to anyone, you understand, you must know the reason you close to the person.
45:54AI go school too, I fight in school, like the fight friendship, all that. I fight, but I’m not fight like I’ll be the more close or like, uh, you know, you know, school is like a love and a friendship and I understand. Friendship. I be in school too. I have many friend. I have many girl that, you know, school, you know, school, you know, many girl be around you, your friend, you know, saying like play ball or maybe like came outside after the school, walk together, you know, like as in school. Yeah, I go all over. I’m not go university because, you know, have two Smart, you know what I’m saying?
46:35AAnd it’s not even I’m too smart, like God, I don’t know, but it’s a walk of God because I just left the school, you know what I’m saying? Because after I’m making the money, yeah, it’s all on my mind.
46:48BI went to university and I’m looking back and I’m like, I’m not gonna tell nobody to go to school, but like school is Angola, school is the best thing, you know.
47:03AWhatever, whatever your parents, make sure you push your kids in school because Angola, when your kids go to school a little bit, make sure you go to school, understand how to write. Writing is important, one, and they understand how to, you know, anything nobody write, you can say it, right? So make sure you understand 2 things and then Go push yourself a little bit to school. Even you not go to university, you probably go somewhere because the level where you push yourself, you know, you can miss, you can miss something like that, if you know what I’m saying. So it’s good to make your kids in school a little bit, even you don’t have money to push him to university, or you know, like any -- make sure after college, you know what I’m saying? Like something like that, then start working something and then start applying his life. Yeah, absolutely.
47:59BYeah, I feel like actually I graduated all of it.
48:03CI graduated from university, 2 degrees.
48:05BI went to school, got my CPA license, and I definitely agree that like going to school to learn how to read, write, and math are very important. And then also like Your specialty, but I think also knowing how to do a trade. Like, actually, if you’re a builder, learn how to build. If you’re a developer, learn how to develop. You don’t need school for all that.
48:27AYeah, that’s what I’m saying. Like, you know, you can keep it school, school all day, and then your age gonna be coming. Yeah. And then you are, you know, it’s not even like, oh, you already get the money now. Yeah, you’re trying to get the money, but you’re not even thinking how you’re gonna get the money. Trying to go to school, uh, information for your head before, you know, or maybe you’re trying to get a doctoral, like, depend. Like me, I can’t born my kids and then force him to be, to, to be a university member or something like that, but I make sure he go to the school, know how to write, and know how to read. And then now I will tell him what do you want to do.
49:07CCorrect.
49:07ABecause it’s always good for me, you know, say I don’t need university or like -- although you check the world now, many people are working in government, it’s not good to university like that.
49:17BCorrect.
49:19AMuch of them, like any police, where you see, they not going to university.
49:22BCorrect.
49:23AI ain’t gonna lie, even many people are going to university, not all of them survive.
49:27BCorrect. They don’t get jobs.
49:28AI say they not survive, some get crazy. Yeah, because Angola, some that crazy. Even back home, it’s not America. Forget America. Even back home, university or their ghost, you know. Now, now like America is, you know, if your parents don’t have the money and then your parents like pushing, you know, hustler and find the money and push you to the university, you know, you got to eat. Beautiful food, so your your your order can can rise. You know what I’m saying? To know what, but you not eat beautiful food, better food. You know what I’m saying? You’re gonna push yourself, but one day you’re gonna feel like you’re kind of crazy. You know what I’m saying?
50:12BBecause you be going, you know what I’m saying?
50:14ABut now the money after after you left, you know, you go hustle somewhere and then go find something where you supposed to apply yourself and then. Company learn something technology something, you know what I’m saying? Because the level where you have, you don’t need to go too much in say school or like you know what I’m saying? Donald Trump go to American school, you feel what I’m saying? So it’s like example for everybody in this America, you know what I’m saying? You can go university or like the key skill, you know. But when you You pass 25 years old, or you pass 25, don’t think like you’re still young like that.
50:54ABut you can feel like you’re still young. 25 plus 10 years again, you are already 35. So how old you want to get and then come be satisfied, if you know what I’m saying? So that’s how I feel like for me. Whatever I wish, come get my peace, or maybe whatever, you know. God prompt me, you know, God prompt me, and I will see my kids once more and I take care of my kids. I’m not going to force my kids to be in university or whatever. Make sure you go little. When you get to the point, I’m probably going to come and tell you I’m stopping you from school because I already know like you’re leaving.
51:34AI know my kids, right? I know you really push you for the better position so you can keep you make money, keep you plan yourself, keep you show me love. Yeah, now where you are, you see what I’m saying?
51:46BGeneration.
51:47AYeah, so that’s how I feel. I feel like that, like, uh, um, it’s not everybody can go university, uh, it’s not everybody can be -- you don’t want to be -- because a lot of people, they push them for school but they left. Then you want to go school or left? When you now want to go school, your hair won’t, you know, you know what I’m saying? You’re gonna have a big problem in the outside. What’s the problem? You can’t know what’s going on. Apart from you go do any work and then they pay you something, no, you not even go to school, you know. Even they give you something now, understand what, why there, you know what I’m saying?
52:28AYou can’t even go now there. So for you, it’s just working. They give you Something, you feel good, right? Yeah. So I can’t let my kids be like that. You must understand, even when they give you book like this, you must understand, like anywhere where you go, because you don’t understand what they say right there and they just give you sign. Make sure you understand. You can read your contract. Yeah. So I got to understand that my kids must understand any paper document where they read to inform You got to read, you got to know how to, you know. That’s fine for me, you know what I’m saying.
53:01AI don’t need to make sure you go to university, come crazy for me. Come -- that is going to be too much expensive, you know what I’m saying. Too much money spent because your kids turn crazy. It’s not like -- you feel what I’m saying? So don’t let your kids turn crazy because too much crazy, crazy, all that, you know what I’m saying. You know, even the laptop set, you know, sports And you’re gonna leave him. So that’s what I’m saying. So the school is now something -- go a little bit, you can have your own book and home, came in and use the book to school, you know what I’m saying?
53:34ABecause after the college, all that, you know what I’m saying, you’re already providing. Don’t -- I ain’t gonna lie, many people are millionaires, dollar, you know what I’m saying? They’re not going to university, they’re not stopping in college, but they’re Have smart spirit on making the money there, you know, like if you know what I’m saying. They follow the money rules, something like that. It’s not like you’re gonna think like billion people, people are billionaire, millionaire of dollar, they go to invest. The money long, the money is long.
54:12BYes, give the jobs.
54:14ANo, so like the money loan and at the same time, let me say the money loan. Yeah, sure. Money loan. Yeah, money loan. But you see a girl, you know, let me, you know, this life is spiritual, right? So what you see when I say money loan is mean like pussy. You see where they born baby So where the baby coming, it’s wrong. This side is wrong. So imagine stomach got baby for 8 months, right? Bring out. You see that the same place where you fucking, you think it’s not doing anything for she. Even she, it’s not nothing. It’s just like a vibe, you know, that she give it in bed to let you as a man that feel what you are doing, you know what I’m saying? So like, men, when you see a girl, you know what I’m saying, they are -- it’s not my mouth even going to come out, you know what I’m saying? But I can say, nobody can say nothing. When you see girl, they are the creation of the world. After God is a Girl after God is a girl. Respect your mom.
55:35BYeah, yeah.
