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On Day 2 of the Black Blockchain Summit 2026, CJ Kelly, CJ the Smart Guy, sits down with Maceo a second time. He talks about his book, Bitcoin in Black America 2, and its directory of “over 150 people” in the space, written because “if you fall behind, essentially you can become a slave to the technology.” Then the diaspora: Africans were told Americans are all rich, Americans were told Africans are all poor, and when he went he found “poor people in Africa eat better than middle-class people here in America.” His conclusion: “we’ve both been fed lies,” and “once you eat together, like, a lot of that’s gonna like disappear.” He hires in Kenya now and talks about Black wealth before integration, Greenwood in Tulsa, and a coup in one of the Carolinas he asks us to check: “Yeah, fact-check it please. I might be off on the years”. A note on the facts: the coup is Wilmington, North Carolina, November 1898, when white supremacists attacked Black neighborhoods and overthrew the local government, and North Carolina sent no Black Representative to Congress from 1901 until 1992 (US House, History, Art & Archives); in Tulsa in 1921 about 1,256 Greenwood homes were destroyed (Oklahoma Commission, 2001); a January 2025 executive order bars US agencies from creating a central bank digital currency (White House). And Maceo’s figure for our supporters at the end is high: on the day, We Them Media had 7 monthly supporters giving $128 a month in all (wethem.xyz/supporter).

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Bitcoin & Black America 2

Charles J. Kelly (CJ the Smart Guy)

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0:00AAll right, so we’re back here with CJ the Smart Guy. You got a book coming out. Talk to us about it.

0:04BYes, sir. So Bitcoin in Black America 2 is on its way. We got over 150 people in the directory where you can find predominantly Black people that are in the Bitcoin blockchain crypto space. It talks about why Bitcoin is important to the Black community, whether you’re here in America, whether you’re overseas, whether you’re highly religious and a Christian, whether you’re into politics, or if you just want to hear my story. I think that Bitcoin is instrumental in our communities, and it’s like this: if Africans had had the best technology when invaders came in to take over their land or to steal slaves, they had equal technology, that wouldn’t have happened.

0:42BAnd so I feel as though as a community, we always got to stay on top of technology. We can’t fall behind, and if you fall behind, essentially you can become a slave to the technology. And so for me, I see Bitcoin, I see you know, central bank digital currencies. And I feel like a lot of people are gonna become a slave to central bank digital currency, and Bitcoin is the escape from that, but only if you know what you’re doing and only if you have a network of people. And so this book should provide you the network. It should provide you, you know, the story, the backdrop behind it, provide enough for you to think about so that you can start your, you know, research.

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1:16BIt’s not gonna give you do this and do this and do this and you’re gonna get rich. This is not a get-rich-quick scheme. It’s about you learning the entire financial system switching.

1:25BThat directory is very powerful. If you think you’re the only Black person that’s interested in this, you’re wrong. But hey, I was wrong once upon a time.

1:34BAnd so now here I am traveling the world, not just in America, but Malawi, Kenya, Tanzania, and we’re linking up all around the world. Bitcoin Black America 2, check it out.

1:44AAnd so I’m curious, as a, as a, you know, a Black American, African American who’s been able to travel around the globe, like, how do you think about your role in the diaspora?

1:52BI think it’s huge. But I think that we need to work together. I think that they were fed that Americans are all rich and that we have all these assets, and a lot of them either want to come here or they actually want to be us, which I thought that was crazy because I was like, you think we got all this money?

2:09AYeah.

2:10BBut then at the same time, I thought that going out there, like, we were fed that they were all poor, that they had these big stomachs and there was flies and, you know, all we had to do was go help them. It was all about charity. And then when I went out there, I was like, man, look, poor people in Africa eat better than middle-class people here in America. The food is fresher, the food is more delicious. And I was like, we’ve both been fed lies. And so any type of animosity that may be there, once you eat together, like, a lot of that’s gonna like disappear. And so I’m just eating with everybody. I’m like, wow, actually we’re cool, we’re friends. Like, it didn’t take much. Um, so I think that when we’re connecting then we’re able to find solutions to problems. So for instance, me, I started hiring people out in Kenya. I couldn’t afford people out here in America. It costs too much. I’m not that baller yet. But when I go to Kenya over there, technically I’m a baller because of the wage -- I mean, the cost of living difference. Like $1 is about 130 Kenyan shillings. My rent in Kenya is $270.

3:08AHmm.

3:09BAnd it keeps going down every month. So it’s one of those things where it’s like, Out there, I do have the money. I can hire people out there. And over there, the average person there speaks 3 languages, and they work very diligently, and they look at a business as a family. So they’re willing to put in that work. And so it’s one of those things where it’s like, wow, if I could provide you guys a higher wage than what you’re used to, and you guys are going to work harder than what I’m used to and for less, that’s a team.

3:39AYeah.

3:40BAnd that’s all I’m about is team building.

3:42AAnd do you know a lot of people who have been able to build teams across the diaspora like that and leverage those opportunities and create value, provide job opportunities?

3:48BI don’t know many people who have done it, but I’m the one who’s trying to increase that. So you guys can search smartguyconsulting.com. You can see, oh, this is what he’s actually doing. You can see my goals and how I’m doing it. If you guys need a bookkeeper, make sure you reach out to me. If you need somebody for website design, reach out to me. If you need somebody for a personal assistant, or you need somebody for, um, uh, social media management or content curating, just reach out to me because I got a whole team of people who can help you with all of that. And chances are it’s going to be done better for cheaper because we’re working together as a team.

4:27AAnd if they work with you, what are they doing?

4:29BSay one more time.

4:30AAnd if they work with you, what are they doing?

4:31BOh, they’re doing all types of stuff. Look, look, what do you want to do? What type of media do you have? What type of Um, you know, point you’re trying to put across, as long as it’s something that’s, that’s, you know, aligned with my values, we, we’re going to go ahead and do that.

4:46AWell, I know we’re keeping money in the Black community if they’re working with you, and it’s going a long way.

4:49BOh, for sure. It’s circulating over and over and over again. What, like, I, I’m paying people that are in Africa, they’re Black, and I’m working with people here in Black America, Black-owned businesses, because we got to keep our dollars circulating. Unfortunately, a lot of times our money goes outside the community But it didn’t do that back in the ’60s. Before integration, we were doing very well. We were doing so well that we were making other people jealous, and they had to come and destroy our places, which is the reason why we integrated in the first place. Because if you have a bunch of businesses, you know, whether you’re talking about Greenwood, whether you’re talking about Seneca Village, whether you’re talking about Tulsa, Oklahoma, we were thriving so much that other people got jealous and had to destroy it.

5:33AGreenwood’s destroyed?

5:34BA lot of it. A lot of it.

5:37APeople don’t know what Greenwood is. Talk about Greenwood. I’ve seen them, but I don’t know too much. But I’m surprised to hear that.

5:41BYeah. So like, um, like in a lot of these places -- so let’s just take -- I forget if it’s North or South Carolina, but we were doing very well politically. You had Black senators, you had Black, uh, House representatives, and we were thriving. Well, they didn’t like the fact that so many Black people were in power. And so you had a coup that came in and they were like, hey, we’re gonna kill all of you, we’re gonna destroy you. And it took like 80-something years. Like, do your research, it took like 80-something years.

6:10ADon’t worry, we fact-check on the video.

6:11BYeah, fact-check it please. I might be off on the years, but --

6:14AOkay, your testimony is what counts.

6:17BYeah, it took a very long time to have another Black person in government in that Carolina, and that’s because there was a coup. So when we talk about, wow, we’re making progress, are we really? Because we had this a long time ago. As soon as slavery ended, we had a whole bunch of positive movement and they destroyed it. And then we were segregated and we were still doing well and they got jealous and they had to destroy that. And so we integrated. And when we integrated, a lot of our money went into communities that wasn’t ours. And when you take our money out of the community, that’s how then they’re able to control us economically. And so Bitcoin, all that is, is just a network connector because we’re able to transact globally. And I’m just choosing to transact with my brothers and sisters from Africa because at the end of the day, I don’t know how many generations I’ve been in America, my family, but we all go back to Africa. And they went through colonization. We went through slavery. They’re very different traumas, but both traumatized. We should be working together and not be fighting over who has what. It’s not even that important. Let’s just work together.

7:22AAll right, man. Uh, you have anything left to say to the people about your book and people who are considering reading? What if people are intimidated by it and they’re like, that book sounds interesting, but I don’t even know where I would start if I got it. I feel like I wouldn’t pick it up.

7:34BOh, the book’s definitely not intimidating. Um, I keep it very easy in terms like the verbiage. Um, just check it out, read it. If you’re like, hey, I want to check it out before I buy it, you can go ahead and download it for free. Free. I, I agree with the concept of by choice, not by force. So I want you to read it first, and if it did change, you know, your life with a positive, then go ahead and buy it, support it, because you know that money is going to go right back into the community anyway. So I’m not here to try to convince you to buy it. Maybe I might convince you to go ahead and download it, read the first few pages, read my journey, read the foreword, and if you agree with it, go ahead and read the whole thing and then go purchase Bitcoin Black America 2, CJ the Smart Guy.

8:16AI can hand this to you. Yeah, man. So you heard him. If the book provides some value to you, you know, you can reciprocate, purchase the book, you know, let him know that you appreciate that. And this is the same thing I’m out here doing right with my content. You know, we are actually completely supported by people who care about this work, myself for the majority, but we also have about 9 people who are donating over $100 every month to help us keep making this project sustainable, to bring educational, entertaining content to you. You know, I’m privileged to be able to maintain this, but that’s not necessarily always going to be so. So if you found value in this video or any videos on this channel, I just hope that you choose to go and donate, whether it be a one-time way. Maybe it’s just sharing a newsletter with somebody that you know and love. Maybe it’s showing your niece or nephew these videos. These videos are for everybody. So thank you for appreciating this work. And if you do, I really, I really just ask you to pay it forward. So thank you guys so much. Booyah! Appreciate it.

9:04BNo problem.

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