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The Philly barbershop interview.

A haircut in Germantown, Philadelphia, that turns into a half-hour lesson on what a barber actually has to know, why the licence takes twelve hundred and fifty hours, and how to use a sponge brush properly. Also the clearest statement on this site of what the whole project is for.

The barber is working toward a Pennsylvania barber teacher’s licence, under a licensed teacher in a licensed shop, which is the route: five years under a licensed manager, plus five hundred hours of teaching. He has passed the regular licence and half of the teaching one. What he wants to teach is not cutting. “Health and safety. That’s the main reason for barbering.”

He builds the case patiently. Cross-contamination from a borrowed cup. Clippers that need oiling and disinfecting, not wiping. What happens when somebody scratches their neck after a sweaty pickup game and then gets a lineup with a dirty blade. “It’s a lot of stuff that you would take for granted, that you should learn about if you’re trying to cut corners on cutting hair.” The comparison he reaches for is brakes: you can know everything about brakes except how to bleed them, and somebody dies. He calls the whole body of knowledge barber law, and says it is like a driving licence: the licence proves you practise the law.

On the numbers: twelve hundred and fifty hours for a licence, about nine months; five hundred and fifty-five if you are already a cosmetologist. On why the shop is where it is: he used to work in a different neighbourhood and clients said it was too far.

Before any of that, an exchange about anxiety that is unusually honest on both sides. Maceo describes his: preparing for a social situation, deciding he will do the wrong thing, spending five minutes in his head on how badly it will go, “and then I come back to the present and the room is empty.” The barber’s reply is about expectations, and about knowing what you are following before you follow anyone: “You got to be able to be a leader as well as a follower.”

There is a sponge-brush tutorial, delivered while it is being demonstrated on the customer, with a verdict on his technique. And near the end the two men compare being twenty-six with being twenty-four with a six-year-old, because the barber had his son at eighteen. “You got to want them. I wanted my son.”

The reason this is on the site is a stretch in the middle where Maceo, asked who his content is for, says it plainly: not crypto, not politics, but “an archive of Philadelphia,” with teams doing the same for their own communities elsewhere, so that “our brand becomes like the BBC, but your local broadcaster.” The barber’s advice is to go a little political, because that is how you get a community rather than a crowd.

It ends the way it should. “You made me a customer. Now I got two barbers in Germantown.

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0:01Yeah, my actress actually maybe like Yeah, he’s smart kid over there for a scholarship. Kappa over there stomping a yard trying to influence his name.

0:21Uh we got um Yeah, I’m right here. Cory, right? Yeah. Yeah, my bad. I’m sorry. Like a new new guy coming up. Yeah, you can’t come in and

0:40not get a good little service done to you. No harm, no foul, right? Yeah. I used to just grow my hair out as a afro and then let it get really nappy and ignore it.

0:53Trying to stop doing that. You got good course of hair. The bad stuff a good course like it ain’t unmanageable comes with anxiety too. A lot of people got unmanageable hair and they get then they get anxiety cuz they got to be around certain people that that’s keeping their appearance up. Anxiety.

1:19Yeah. I don’t think that was necessarily my anxiety. I feel my anxiety will be more like I don’t feel prepared for this given social situation. What should I do? And then I’m like, I’m going to do the wrong thing. And then I get stressed out that it’s going to go poorly. And then I spend five minutes in my head thinking about how it’s going to go poorly. And then I I I come back to the present and the room is empty.

1:39Uh that’s in your in my mental in your mind or that’s what’s actually happened. You said the room is empty. Oh no. Sometimes sometimes like it’s it might not even be a real room, you know.

1:49Mhm. The people are just gone. Like like if I don’t know people like who are they like who is this dude walked up and got hit with a grenade.

1:59It’s like a resume. You go into a job and you prepared as opposed to resume will ask you those type questions. The resume really prepares you for the questions that they’re asking you. They’re expectations. The same way when you go out and you doing what you do, you got to have expectations for what you’re doing. Mhm.

2:20Like same way what you doing what you doing. You know what you doing. You can’t just hand anybody your mic and your camera say why you filming over there. I’m talking over here. The expectations,

2:31right? I mean honestly I I don’t really mind that. You know I saw you got the different angles. No, you don’t mind just him in general. I’m just I’m just speaking in general like what’s the what’s up with you? You got to you going to have expectations for what you’re doing and how to do it.

2:43Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. And know how to know how to manage expectations, work with people, right? No, I agree. But I really like what you said, right, around like guidance and elders and being able to seek that out.

2:52Mhm. And I feel like I’ve had a I’ve really felt even nervous to do that sometimes, right? But I think I’m really stepping into a time where I’m just I’m trying to fail faster and I’m trying to I’m trying to get guidance on how to do it right before I get guidance on how to deal with what didn’t go right.

3:06I think I used to be like, “Dang, it didn’t go well. I need help.” People don’t want to help. No, you just got to know. You got to be able to be a leader as well as a flower. So if you go in

3:17just trying to follow somebody else’s lead, that’s not how really f followers follow because you got to have some type of guidance to be a follower.

3:29Like where are you follow what you where you starting off following? Like what what’s your follow? What’s your your goal as a follower? You get what I’m saying?

3:41Definitely. Definitely like I’m a teacher. barber teacher, right? So, what’s I would say what is your goal before you just getting taught like what are your goal as me teaching you your your craft the craft

3:55like you just want to know the knowledge of health and safety? Do you want to enhance your skills? Like what’s what’s your focal point on your main attention?

4:06Yeah. So, so even you like you you’re doing what you do like you would you find somebody’s main attention on what they what they want to what brings their interest what would take what would take their interest so

4:25you can’t be everywhere with it you got to have something I agree with that interesting and so how long you been teaching I just really started, but I always but not like licensed wise teaching.

4:43Mhm. But I’ve been teaching since I’ve been cutting cuz I’m always like I’m like a good barber. Like I taught people without the license, but I’m actually with the state board teacher licensing now passing state board um theory. Then I take the practical and then licensed teacher PA licensed barber teacher.

5:14Okay, that’s cool. And so how long would it take to become a well taught like uh barber man on a the license wise or just general? Like general like like

5:26generally I mean how I cut my hair it’s up to you but to get licensing it takes for a regular barber $1,250. Interesting. Okay. And so

5:42as a barber teacher you got to five years. You’re saying to be a barber as a licensed barber. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so how do you structure like your teaching? Like how you teach people

5:55like I just say you break it down to what they need according they just need a license you give them everything. But if you need um

6:02for me right I don’t really necessarily want a license to cut hair but I like to feel confident cutting my own hair and somebody else’s hair.

6:09Well um according to like different standards you just I guess break that down and just a guidance without the actual license part. I don’t know cuz it cuz like we clinically we got hours on basic haircut cutting.

6:25You got um health hygiene type barberh shop conversations certain certain topics you talk about in barber the shave how you shave without getting bumped. You know about the skin you learn about the pigmentation of the skin

6:40the hair skin nails derma. You learn about it all bacteria. How crosscontaminate certain stuff. How to keep clean your stuff properly. Mhm. You got you learn how to take stuff. So that’s part of cutting hair. So if you doing it, you you learn that you doing this type stuff. You say, “I might as well go in a little more.”

6:59Might as well go in a little more. I done learn this. Then you be like, “Oh, damn. I might as well be a licensed barber.”

7:04Cuz lic cuz barbering you can’t supposed to You don’t supposed to cut hair without a license. Somebody else. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cut your own hair all day.

7:13Yeah. But someone else you can’t you can’t do it. Now I know what you’re saying. Okay. 1,250 hours to become a licensed. Why would you say

7:23as somebody just coming on? But like a cosmetologist, you need get 550 555 hours as if you already licensed cosmetologist, but just trying to get a bar.

7:34How many weeks is that? That’s like nine months. Nine months. Nine months. Okay, that’s good. Nine months for the um regular one. If you’re cas 12 um what’s it 24 you know 24 eight hours a day as the mandatory hourly or most hours you could do in the day and just calculate that 55 55 is just for counties everybody else is just calculate their hours for 1200 out of 1200 50.

8:16What do you think most people take for granted about maintaining their hair? Uh the health health and safety of being the healthwise could be the barbering period. the safety of it. No cross contamination like she might you might get nice enough to cut your hair right and she might see oh can I borrow a cup real quick and they don’t know you just cross contaminated

8:44each other skin whatever by not letting them clean it probably not got to clean stuff probably you got it right uh cleaning solutions you got to have you got to have everything

8:56got to oil you got to oil your clippers and everything like it’s not just simple cutting hair it’s lot of cross like some same thing like um somebody get a wound, cut a wound. You’re not going to say I just open my bump with this jaw.

9:11Me wipe it off with some soap and water and you do this and you you use you know what I’m saying? There certain solutions you got you have to use to protect for safety and health cuz it can get worse

9:22if you crossaminate the wrong way. Oh, that’s true. I get that. I get that. Like somebody got a infectious infectious hair bomb. They use a clipper. you didn’t have it, but but now you’re going to get it because you didn’t clean it properly after they use your stuff. Understand? So, we got to teach you the um bacterialology, crosscontamination. We got to teach you health well as the safety, proper lighting is important. Hair file, hair textures, got to teach you everything. Doesn’t just as simple as teach me how to cut hair and you grabbing clippers cuz I got to teach you how to clipper operates.

10:07Mhm. That makes sense. How to comb how to make it how to just say I’m trying to get this but I keep getting the line like you got to comb it out.

10:16Cut it and you comb it out with some stuff. But a lot of people don’t know. They just thinking just I got to cut my hair and they’re going get anxiety like where do I start? If I’m trying to achieve this type haircut, how do I start? If I’m trying to do this a fade, how do I start? So, it’s nothing this simple. So, it’s it’s it’s basically you’re learning licensing, which is like a driver’s license. Learning the the right you get your license according to you learn how you practice how to go by the law.

10:56So, it’s just we got barber law. You get your license because you learn you practice the law of barbering cuz Yeah. So say you cutting your own hair.

11:09Mhm. And you just outside your clippers. You balling whatever, but you didn’t know the bar. Right. So you you you sweaty or something. You try to be real quick. You got to scratch or somebody scratch your basketball. Now you infected yourself when you get cutting in your hair and scrap. You scratching your neck too much from the clippers. Ah,

11:28now you got infection. So we you clean because it disinfect clean clippers disinfect you with alcohol. It just it just it just could go on and on. You learn stuff. But once you learn it, it doesn’t go nowhere. You remember like, oh yeah, I avoid that. Y it’s a lot of stuff that you wouldn’t take take for probably would take for granted

11:58that you should learn about if you’re trying to learn if you’re trying to cut cut corners on cutting hair. You know what I’m saying? Mhm.

12:09Cuz the more you know, the more skillful thing you are. Like so say you doing somebody breaks, you can’t do brakes without bleeding them. You know what I’m saying? You might know everything else except bleeding them.

12:19Mhm. Then somebody going to have an accident. Somebody might die, right? It might get that deep. Just one little thing that you forgot left out that somebody left out and now you’re something. The safety part is in jeopardy.

12:35Mhm. So that’s what we got. Health and safety. That’s the main reason for barbering. Health and safety. Cuz back in the day they had razor and comb. You had no clippers,

12:49right? Mhm. Scissors, shears, got thinning shears. You got your So, you learn all the type tools. Like, so a lot of people can’t go in the store. You can’t go in the store and say, “I’m going to get this type of I want to cut my hair.”

13:02Mhm. And they like, “All right, what you need?” You should know what you need before you go in the store. Yeah, that’s true. Yeah. So, That’s my job. I’m here to break it down for you.

13:27The more you know the better. So that could be another topic for you to go on when you go into barber say give me a basic breakdown of blazy blah and break down this and break down this what’s the best product for this like topics relatable topics

13:55that’s a good idea like you you got your camera you got the microphone on like some somebody seem like damn that’s a something I wouldn’t do.

14:06Mhm. And they break you break it down from well you would get this from here you would get this from here this good quality of this you know you know how to break how you know how close to talking to the mic how close not to talk to the mic.

14:17Yeah that’s a good idea break it down. You got to break it down. You got to break it all down. So how many students you working with right now?

14:29How many students? Yeah. Not too many yet. Cuz I was just more focused on getting the actual physical license to hang up. But I just got partial of it. I got half of it. You got to take the practical and you got to take the theory part. Theory is the like computer whatever

14:46or like like they call it the written. Mhm. I just got to take that part now. Mhm. Okay. Like it’s something that like stuff like I already passed on the regular licensing,

14:56but I just got to show that I can teach it. I get that. I get that. Yeah. Who is this? That’s cool. Mhm. Yeah. Like all them pictures on there. That’s that’s that’s my work on there.

15:14On the front. Mhm. On the front there. I posted it up. Okay. Cool. I got the uh Instagram um Tik Tok. Check it out on there. Sharp Hands Matter. Sharp hands matter.

15:30Y show you how people even with the razor. Somebody want a clean sharp cut at last. Show them how to hold the razor. Mhm. Certain ways to hold the razor so you don’t cut yourself, hurt, the razor doesn’t slip. Going to sharpen it cuz this is just just like barber law. That’s what it is. Barbber Law and um How do you like razor?

16:06Like a straight razor? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Then what time is it? I think it’s like maybe 1210. 1210. I left my watch so I don’t got to keep going to my phone. Look at the time. I left it. Getting the kids to school this morning. Wearing it so much. Uh, takes the circulation out my takes the circulation off. Like, damn. I got to get this off of me. D something. I don’t want to put it back on. came outside and got a surprise haircut. You said on the thing it said promotional $5 haircuts on there sometime.

17:40Yeah. On Thursdays and sat Tuesdays and Saturdays. You don’t know about that? I’m I wasn’t here for that. Oh, that’s like one of the things you can’t do. You pretty sure

17:58I’m here to like be around for my clients. I used to work down at the hair company. Yeah. Like in like still in the same neighborhood like if they like I was a different neighborhood. They like, “Oh, that’s too far.”

18:09Yeah. Yeah. But I go what you’re saying now you’re right here. Yeah. That makes sense. And but the main reason is for that teacher’s license.

18:16Mhm. So that’s the main reason here. So, how does being here help you get your teacher’s license? You said who? How does being here help you get your teacher’s license?

18:24Oh, through Ryan. That’s a program. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Working with Ryan. Working with Ryan five years and he you sign he get you to um Well, not not necessarily here. You work under any licensed shop with your license for five years

18:45under a licensed barber manager in a licensed barber shop and that qualifies you for the um to get you the teachers license so being as though Ron’s a teacher he helps me with that program that makes sense. So that’s why I’m here.

19:15And part of it you have to have about five is this 500 hours as um teaching. Mhm. And that qualifies you for the barber teacher. licensing.

19:40Mhm. You definitely got to give me the um your site. A meter. Yeah. Handicap drawing the window. I ain’t know that. Yeah, they give you like an hour.

20:08Why you coming? Oh, y like an hour. Yeah. To me. Already. No, no, no. I get the hour the handicap. Oh, you got it. Okay. You got to

20:23Yeah. I’m good. If I got my handicap in the window, right? So, if you got a handicap, you don’t get a ticket. like an hour. You get an hour, right?

20:40Yeah. And lately she been noticing he ain’t me. And so we got a little karaoke interlude. So yeah, I’ve been growing it out. I’m trying to grow my hair longer.

20:55So they told me I took a sponge brush. I was thinking about like trying out doing braids. I’ve never had braids before. I was thinking about potentially trying out locks. I had locks very briefly.

21:03Mhm. I had twist before. Um but yeah, as I’m growing it out, what what do you think about how I’m approaching it? You can tell I’ve been using that sponge brush, but I don’t think I’m using the sponge rubber sponge brush, right? I’m not going to lie.

21:17Um I’m supposed to push it hard on my head. No, you just just like style it. Mhm. You style you sponge it. Go. So, you got the the the racket style sponge curly top.

21:32Yeah. And you just style it. Yeah. You don’t have to push. Mhm. You just just once you get the curl, you just style it. You could even go like this. Bring it out and then do it. Do it again. Pick it.

21:43And then brush it. I should pick it while I’m doing it. No, just saying just just to just so you don’t push it down. Yeah.

21:50Just or even if when it’s curly, it’s going to not show the real lengthy hair anyway. So, it’s really getting curly. So you just go in curly motion all the way around like styling it. Get it?

22:03Not really, but it’s okay. He said not really. I feel like I’ve been doing it wrong. So this is the sponge brush. You don’t have to push.

22:11Yes. Make it curly. Style it. And wait. That I wouldn’t just go one way like this. You get what I’m saying? I’m making it curly in the spot that’s curly.

22:21So I’m just like going in circles there, right? And you just the whole head. Just keep moving around the whole time I’m doing it. The whole head. Yeah.

22:32And so like mine I guess. Okay. It’s like longer. Is that okay? Yeah. Mine is at at two sides. Yeah, I see that. But the other side is like holes that go in on my

22:42Yeah, they got different kinds. Yeah. I don’t know. I just got mine down. But that’s how you do it. Yeah. Fascinating. I tried to do it before I left the house. I didn’t look like I did it right at all.

22:51Mhm. And then I and then I just said, “Okay.” I just push my hair down and say, “It looks push down.” I just going to look how it looks. But I appreciate that.

22:59Mhm. Yeah. I put in my leave-in conditioner and then I have like some olive oil gel. Okay. You didn’t put stuff in there. Not olive oil. Is it olive oil?

23:17So you went to Where you go to school at? Where did I Yeah. I went to like which school? Who? Who school? Like for what? For high school.

23:25Yeah, high school. I went to high school outside the city in um in Xton. I went to boarding school. All boys school. Mhm. So I didn’t go to high school here in the city at all, which feels weird every time I come to city cuz I feel like I feel like I’m missing something.

23:37And like who’s your focal point when you do your advertising for your um podcast? What is it? What is it? That’s a good question. Honestly, I wouldn’t say it’s very difficult.

23:47Like political. Oh, you take it to political, do you take it to political? I want to do like culture and society commentary, I guess. Culture and society.

23:54How do you get it viewed? Just online. Um, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So, right now I’m just honestly trying to push on Instagram and old social media.

24:03Mhm. And try to I guess kind of through going out and doing it and talking to people get more subscribers and followers that way. And so hopefully you follow us on Instagram. That’s just like local

24:18my goal. I really want to develop like a local following. That’s like my primary focus. So nothing nothing extreme yet. Yeah. I mean people say, you know, as a musician in particular, right? Like you know, when your hometown is behind you, that’s when you really have legs. So I’m really focused on like what kind of content could I create in Philadelphia that people Philadelphia think would actually be a meaningful contribution to the city.

24:37You know what I’m saying? Sometimes you got to go big with certain people. Some people got to go a little bigger than Yeah. Like I said, I don’t really I wasn’t here for high school. I don’t I feel like I’m not that tapped into the city and the city’s culture.

24:49So, I kind of want to I have a personal investment in doing that. Mhm. So, that’s kind of what it is. And I’ve been all around the world, you know, over the past like three years. I was in Africa for for almost four months.

25:01How was that? And that was dope. I was in Nigeria for two and a half three months total. I was in Ethiopia for a month. Um, I spent like two months in Asia the year before that. I was in Thailand for five weeks, Vietnam for a week and a half, I was in for a month. No, that crypto stuff.

25:15Oh man. And I spent some time in Europe. I was in London. I was in Manchester. I was in Belgium. So, I spent a little bit time in the Caribbean. Not not like not more than a week though, but out in the Bahamas, too. So, I’ve been I’ve been traveling like for crypto stuff and I feel like I’ve learned a lot about the world, about economics, and now it’s like I want to make sure that like I want to teach people about crypto, about economics, but I don’t want to like be like I don’t really just want to make content about that, you know? So, I want

25:42to come here and understand, you know, what what are people think isn’t working in the city? What would like to see the community doing more? You know, who are people in the community that you feel like we should be highlighting and giving like letting tell their story, right?

25:52You got to go political. Sometimes you got to keep it you say you keep it local, you going to get like a local crowd. You go a little bit political, you get more of a

26:01like a community based. You get a little mixture of everything. So my man Ryan here, he’s he’s political a lot of stuff. So maybe I should interview him sometime. But that’s what I’m saying. Like I just want my YouTube I want people to be able to go on my YouTube and get like an archive of Philadelphia or my team is in Nigeria archive from their communities in Nigeria.

26:20And you know I want to be able to recruit more reporters in different places around the world to be able to do it too. So that our YouTube or our brand becomes like we’re like you know BBC but like your your local your local broadcaster you know built BBC.

26:34Mhm. How old are you? 26. 26. Yeah. And my son is 25. Yeah. Yeah. I heard you say that. Yeah. So crazy seeing young young guys grow.

26:49Is it what? It says so crazy seeing your young guys grow older. when I was y age or it’s just I just remember cutting y’all young guys remember y’all was here.

27:00Yeah. And then up here like wow I was 26 25 24 How are you living when you were 24? How was I living? Yeah, I was living good. So it was all right. I think I had my first I had my my son was four.

27:20Oh yeah. Yeah. Your son you were 20. As a matter of fact, I was my son wasn’t even four. My son was when I was 24.

27:27I had my son when I was 18. He was like six. About like six. I had him 18, 19. Yeah. I cannot imagine having a kid 18.

27:40I can’t imagine having Look how he came out. Eight year old now. Say that. Look, look how he came out. No, no. I’m just saying I can’t imagine like what I would be doing. I can’t

27:48You got You gota want them. I want I wanted I wanted my son. I was just I already be around kids and stuff all the time, man. So,

27:57I want my kid. Takes responsibility. And some days I’m like, I can’t imagine being responsible for a pet. Oh, this looks nice though. Okay. Yeah, it looks better. See, told you you got to be fresh if you want to do the sitting up in here. You got to be

28:26I like that. I like that. I might have to keep coming back. I might have to keep coming back. That’s my That’s the whole idea.

28:31You made me a customer. Now I got two barbers in Germantown. Hold on.

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