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1:50Okay? And the idea is that if she gets that full set of one color, she’s going to bring it up here and we’re going to exchange it for more cards and she’s going to get a beam. Okay? So when she gets that full set, it’s kind of like this, like you have everything you need to make chickens now, right? You’ve swap stuff. This is we’re going to play with direct barter, right? Okay. And then we’re going to move into pooling. So she’s going to swap what she has and she’s going to try to get these these bright yellow cards. She’s going to try to get seven of those

2:23seven. And if she gets them, she brings them up here and she gets a bean. This is going to represent her production, right? So, after getting all this, this is like the eggs she’s making from her chicken. Okay, we’ll do we’ll do a few rounds of this to to get it to make sense. So, again, she’s got resources, but she’s trying she’s got a lot of different resources like she’s got her like she’s got her labor, she’s got some bees, she’s got different stuff, but she’s trying to get something in particular. She’s trying to get her house fixed. Okay? She’s trying to she’s trying to uh get chickens,

2:57right? So all of us have different resources and we’re trying to get something in particular. Okay. So okay, whoever gets the most beans is the winner of this round. Okay. And we’re going to do another round now using a a pooling system. Okay. Zo, how many people have cards? They’re all out. But Kama, you really want to play the game? Raise your hand cuz we don’t have cards for everybody. You’ll need seven cards. I’ll keep talking while you’re doing that. So again with blockchain what we’re doing is think of blockchain as just a it’s a database system it’s a memory system it provides a history and a memory of who has

4:01promised what it provides authentication who’s who promised that thing and it provides an execution layer. Yep. and um it and basically provides an environment where we can exchange these goods and services with each other and remember where they’ve gone. Okay, so in this case, everyone has some resources, but they’re not the resources they need. They need to get a full set of resources. These guys have started playing already. They’re cheating, but it’s okay. Are we almost done? Okay. So, I recommend if you’ve got some cards, why don’t you see mama see mama come? If you have some cards, stand up and you’re going to need to form like a

4:52little market here. Okay. This isn’t going to be too easy. This is we’re playing direct barter here. Okay? And you’re trying to get seven cards of the same color and you’re doing direct swaps with people. Okay? I’m going to give you guys how long? I’m going to give you eight minutes. Okay? You’ve got eight minutes to come up here with your sets. Okay, you’re on a timer, guys. The market’s open. I rem I recommend you guys get closer and closer to each other. It’s going to be hard to do it just with one person. Don’t give I have no shot. Got seven already. Yeah.

7:14Okay. You get a bean. Magic bean. And you get this. And you got these. Do it again. Do it again. Anybody else? You got Yeah. Get a bean.

7:30Keep going. Keep going. That’s your production. That’s it. problem. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. You’ll donate to that. In reality, like seven again. Yeah, chill. Chill. Chill. Chill. Mixing. Yeah. Let me give you some tips. Oh

11:00yeah. One minute. One more minute, guys. The market is almost over. The best way to The brain remembers it like 24 times. What’s going to be Okay, let’s say that’s it, market’s over.

12:48Okay. Okay, guys. The market is closed. Please return to your seats and count your beans. Please bring your cards up. Return your remaining cards. You’re You’re going to You’re going to need a another random seven though, Joyce. They all need another random seven cards.

13:11Put it down. Okay, you get one final bean, sir. That’s it. Well done. Well done. Come sit down and we’ll talk about it. But everyone’s going to need Okay, one more bean for you.

13:27Okay, market is closed. Market is closed, but everyone needs another set of seven cards. We’re going to do one more round of this. So, the idea here, guys, is that there’s a lot of resources. If we looked at all the resources in this room of everything everyone can do, it’s huge. I wait for people to sit down. Guys, the market Okay, we’re going to do sets of seven again.

14:19Last time. Yeah, our last round. Okay, we’re going to give you guys all sets of seven again. No, no, this one. Just make a set of seven out of those. Give them back. Yeah. Um, so Tatu, who got three beans? Raise your hand. Stand up. Very good. Very good. Very good. Tatu. Three people got three. Three beans. Okay, that’s pretty good. You got three. So, four people got got three beans. Okay, that’s 12 beans, right? How many people got two beans? Raise your hand. Big raise your hand. See, mama. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. About eight people. Yeah. Okay. Eight people got two beans.

15:2816 beans. Who’s adding here? 12 + 16. You You got it. Okay. How many people got one bean? 1 2 3 4 5 6 6 plus that other stuff. How much is that? Yeah, math. We lost it. Okay, we had 12 + 16 + 6. Come on, math. Anybody? Nobody. 32. Okay, thank you. 32 beans. So we all had stuff. We all had to trade for each other to get some production that we needed. Okay. So we imagine again you’ve got a lot of stuff in your house. You got a lot of services that you can offer. Maybe you’ve got skills. Maybe you’re a programmer. Other people

16:22have all kinds of other different skills. How do we coordinate all those resources together to get what we want? Okay. In this case, what we wanted was a full set of one color. Okay. And we’re pretending that that was like you produce something because of that. Okay. So, you traded off what you had to get something you needed. It’s not easy. So, we’re going to do an easier version of that that we call commitment pooling. And it works a little bit like this. So, everybody is going to get uh seven cards. Again, I’m going to create uh five locations where there’s a common pool of resources. Okay? So, this will

16:56be a common pool right here. I’m just going to lay the cards out. You’re not allowed to take these cards. Okay? But you can swap with them. Okay. So, you can swap yours to pull one out. Okay. So, there’s going to be strategically uh let’s say a few of these around here. Maybe let’s try to congregate in this area. Right. So, this will be another one right here. One, two, three. Give me one more. I’m going to make three. So, let’s start handing these out to folks. Maybe I’ll make another one here. So the these are common resource pools and we’ll talk in a minute on how we make these. We

17:37generally get them started using uh stable coins, right? So imagine there’s a stable coin pile here, right? You’re allowed to swap into those piles and you’re also allowed to trade with each other now. Okay. And we’re going to do the same exercise again. Okay. We’ve got one, two, three. One more pile here. You guys are okay. Thank you. These piles should always keep the same number, right? One for one. Okay. One, one, two, three, four. There’s five piles here. Okay, you guys are all allowed to swap into these piles as often as you want. And those are the rules. Does everyone have cards? No, we’re still waiting.

18:46So, if you’re if you’re in the blockchain, you’re familiar with things like unis swap. In unis swap, you have piles. They’re in the forms of two tokens, right? You’ve got two tokens in a pool. You’re allowed to swap into those. What we’re doing is creating just multi-asset liquidity pools. All right, that’s all those are. Are you guys ready? I’m going to time you. Same rules apply. You’re going to make eight. You’re going to come up here and swap. Reset. Okay. Oh It’s a little bit easier. Down there. What the heat? Nine. Nine. Hey, you. Pink shirt. You. You. Is it nine? You got nine. Unitoma.

25:47James. Okay. Put a nine. Imm one. Nine. Okay. Who got eight? One. Two. Two eights. Two eights. Yeah. Okay. I counted two. Three. No. Uh, what are we? Seven. Seven. One. Two. Three. Three. Sevens. Sixes. How many people got six? Sitha. One. Six. How many people got five? One, two, three. Three fives. How many people got four? One. Good job, Nia. Good job. Two, three, three, fours. How many people got three? 1 2 3 4 5 six threes. Seven threes. Okay, seven threes. How many people got two? One, two, three, four, four twos. How many people got one? One, two. Two ones. 100. Were you counting? 122.

26:58Okay. Subtract. Okay. How many of you were counting inclusive of your last round? We’ll pretend that’s just this round then. Was counting inclusive of their last round. That’s okay. So, we could even subtract if we wanted to be very safe, we could subtract another 20 from that. So, the first round we got 32. The second round we got over a 100 in the same amount of time. Okay. So in order to get three times the amount of production, right, the three times the amount of sorting possible, all we needed were some pools that we could swap from cuz it’s really hard to do it with each other. And if we don’t have

27:38enough money, we can’t really do it at all. Right? So if we don’t have money and we can’t barter swap with each other, what do we do? We do what our ancestors always did across all of Africa. All of Europe did the same thing. All of South America did the same thing. They would create common pools of resources that we could swap from and they kept track. It’s not free, right? So if you’re taking something from that, you know, and we weren’t watching very well, but this is what the blockchain does. Okay, so the blockchain does the accounting, it keeps track of what people are

28:24offering, right? It keeps track of who is offering those. So if I have a commitment from her, so imagine this was water. I’ve pulled from the basket. I put my own token in here. I’ve pulled from this. I’m spending this on getting support on uh um water systems on my house. Okay, she’s she’s providing that to me. Now she a credo, she has credit now to swap in the pool, to pull out other resources in the pool. Okay, this is no different than a credit card. A credit card is a bunch of pools. Those pools are called banks, right? The banks are holding a bunch of people’s debt and

29:03your credit card routes through those networks. What we’re doing is we’re building a decentralized routing network through pools of local real world assets including dollars. We’ve got over 20,000 businesses in the network. It’s spreading across most of the planet. It’s a very simple protocol. It’s simpler than unis swap. You could build a unis swap on top of it if you wanted to, right? If you’re familiar with with blockchain. And it’s the same protocol that was used for millions of years for people to coordinate resources. It’s a really really simple concept. So I think I stopped there. Maybe uh masualis questions views. Yeah, I see a question there. I don’t

29:54know. Maybe if we have another mic we can run it around or I just bring this one. Um I think the question is I noticed that for the case when we were exchanging the cards uh between like P2P we like trade um the cards we don’t want for the cards that we don’t but in a case where there is a pool there’s a case where you just put all your cards in one pool and then go through like pools and pools and trying to find the card that you actually need. If you change that into now the financials, it means at some point there are some

30:43cards which will no longer be needed. How are you now handling that? Yeah. So in a resource pool, just like in a bank, if you’re holding the debts of people, right, these cards represent like Coast bus tickets, airtime credits, all kinds of real world assets, including dollars. There may be some assets in there that are not good anymore. Those represent defaults on a loan, right? So what do you do in a chama or a bank when someone defaults on a loan? Well, usually you try to charge that person extra. You have insurance for that, right? So in a pool just like a liquidity pool on unis swap you’re

31:21usually going to be charging some fees those fees will cover defaults and they cover the cost of running that pool right so if you’re going out and you’re creating let’s say you go into kilif you go into Nairobi you’re saying I’m going to create a a network here I’m going to get all these businesses to start trading will you charge a fee on that is there a membership fee is there insurance fee on that what happens when there’s bad assets in that so you’re running a small bank essentially right You’re you’re you can do that collectively with a group. You can run these as DAOs, right? Whoever’s owning

31:51the contract can be an individual businesses DAOs, right? And you can be collecting fees on it. That is the same business model as as UniSpot, where liquidity provision is the business model here, right? And even in a community group, right? If if one of these mamas if you have stagnant or you have assets in there that are not working, you can ask them say, are there any other assets you could provide? What other services can you provide? So in the in the in if you talk about commons, this is called graduated sanctions. A sanction is like a penalty, right? You graduate sanctions in Paka until you say

32:25you’re out of this. Okay? And so it’s a decentralized network just like uh your your playlist on Spotify. What’s in your playlist on Spotify? If you listen to that one song like 50 times and you don’t like it, you get it out of your playlist. And that curation of what’s valuable, that’s that’s what’s valuable here, right? So you c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c c curating creating a list a registry of products a marketplace it better be good stuff in there or people

32:53stop using your did that answer your question yes it did um so my question goes back to the the zero interest uh lending protocol that you were talking about at the beginning. So, I’m wondering how you how are you thinking of it like in terms of sustainability? Yeah, sustainability and also making sure it still makes money cuz I know in like the Islamic financing like framework at least uh from what I know I believe in the in cases of default the bank gets an equity in the business I think. Um, and then also there’s a there’s a protocol on on Ethereum called Liquity Protocol. I I

33:46don’t know if you if you’ve heard of it. So, it’s a Swiss based like protocol and they they do zero interest lending and they have a way of like handling the defaults and it’s of course it’s algorithmic. So, I’m I’m just wondering how you’re thinking about it. Um, yeah. all and even in terms of capital efficiency, you know, with the value of the loans that would be given.

34:10Yeah, good question. So there’s a million ways to deal with defaults and I mean ultimately there’s always going to be a point at which you cannot recover. You know, someone has a car accident, you know, maybe there had been enough fees on that while you were doing it. Membership fees, transaction fees, just like Visa, you could take a cut on every transaction if you wanted. And so in the protocol we have a few fee options. You could take flat fees, you can take percentages of fees, you could take different fees on different types of tokens from the pool, right? So you have a lot of a lot of optionality on how you

34:44can um charge for the service of maintaining that pool because it is a service, right? It takes some work to do. It’s like running a shop. It’s it’s not simple to run a shop, right? um as a as a community, you know, you’re if you’re in a very trusted system, the idea is you need less and less of that because you all know each other and your neighbors, right? So, like there is some cost to trustlessness. If you really want a trustless system, you want to lend to people you don’t know at all. Well, it’s going to cost a lot to run that system. The more the less you know

35:18people, the less you trust people, the more you’re going to have to charge to keep that network going, right? Right. And so there’s there’s something about proof of trust in a sense, right? Where we have a community that it costs less and less and less to run, right? If I’m part of I told you about the university, you you trust those because there’s students enrolled in your university and they’re not going to graduate otherwise, right? We do we deal a lot with guaranurs, right? So if you don’t pay back, the guarantor loses their credit line, right? And if you think of this as a salary system as well, right? So think

35:49about it like this where if you’re getting a a zero interest loan or very low interest loan and all you have to do is pay back in kind means you have to do some service that looks almost exactly like a salary or a salary advance but employee relationship anymore you’re mutual service providers right so there’s a lot of ways to do it and I think that’s this is what’s fun if we get this protocol in our minds we go we dive below unis swap right and say woo assets in every pool imagine you You could have as many assets as you want in that pool, right? You could have all

36:22forms of curation in that. So this this is to me what’s fun as a programmer in blockchain is to go into basic protocols, right? What we’re building right now in terms of decentralized exchanges are protocols way up here, right? But to get to a base layer of resource coordination, that’s super exciting because we can do um another example of this is not to me these are the killer apps and they’re ancient really really ancient stuff and really they just require us using the blockchain and we need app layers that make it easier and easier to do that. Okay, so we’ve done a bit of that like

37:00you’re using it right now. This is a little credit card. Okay, it’s got a blockchain wallet on it. You got some tokens on it, right? Imagine a credit card. Imagine now a routing system. If you actually go into this, if you go onto the website and click in the pools, you’ll see an ETH Safari pool that connects this token into two stable coins, right? It’s a CKS and CUSD. Well, CKS and CUSD are also connected to about 50 other pools around Khifi in the world where you can also buy those products, right? So, you could actually swap your Safari token through the network to get

37:33all kinds of other products, right? That’s what’s exciting about this that the the protocol of trusting your neighbors and creating small pools. It doesn’t scale well. It’s costly to scale that. But having connections between those nodes, that’s how living systems work, right? That’s how microisal fungi work. You have got a bunch of small nodes. They’re all connected to each other. That’s how you route value through systems. And that’s what so these guys mostly women are building a house about every single week like this as they go around to all their neighbors. It costs them zero money, zero Kenyon shillings. Huge amounts of value. There’s a reports on every action

38:12they’re doing. So we have a reporting for attestations on this. So you can build your credit score going up and up and up in these groups, right? Their trust is going up. These things are fun, right? This is like where we all came from. It’s human habitat, right? It’s really it’s really to me the source of how we are people. The word means it’s a bantto word. It’s it’s to become a person and to become a person. You’re together with other people. You don’t become a person by yourself. Otherwise, you’re just a human. You’re the species. So that’s the idea. What’s the protocol that brings people into relationship

39:03with each other so they can help each other when they need it. So I can call someone when I need help in my village. That’s worth a lot of money. It’s huge. So think of coffee or something.

39:23Thank you so much Will and thank you. We appreciate you so much for the support you gave us this year including the the NFC who came from Will in case you guys don’t know and the community support. I’m very grateful as a representative of in Safari. Thank you so much. Please a round another round of applause. So, uh, I think today we’ll leave here at 9:00 p.m. I’m kidding. But let’s go on with the program. I know we won’t take time to digest. I I know I do, but we have to move forward. Um, the next part is one of our another of our partners. Scroll.

40:08Are you here? Scroll. Okay. You’re here. Okay. Okay. You’re here. Okay. So currently one of our partners I’m sure you visited their booth scroll want to speak to us and of course we really love our partners this year you guys have been the best so I’ll give you this moment I think the slides coming up hi everyone my name is Mari so I’m working with scroll in the governance and community departments and today I’ll take you through what scroll is about what we are working on and what you need to know to join our community. So scroll is uh a layer 2 EM using zinc

41:08proof uh technology for scalability of solution. So we encouraging our builders to come in and um deploy uh using our technology which is faster and more efficient. So why build on scroll? Why our builders building on scroll? Why are we encouraging people to build on scroll? Uh because it’s secure. So uh those people how many people have used ZK uh knowledge technology uh it’s be secure by design and we are leveraging Ethereum security and then um that will help us to have seen migration uh for developers. So our second uh important uh feature of why our builders are building on scroll is ecosystem infrastructure. We have uh a

42:00strong ecosystem momentum. Uh we have a good TV growth integrations with lidos and other protocols. And then our community, we are community first. Uh we have a good decentralized uh community where we have a DA and uh governance uh to encourage community to be able to make decisions for the foundation. So that is open participation. Let’s go to the next. We have new upgrades. So we have privacy upgrades for clock uh which is a private ledger and we are making u privacy a bit more practical. uh you’re going to improve confidential in transactions that will lower the cost and bring and improve the throughput. So clock it’s on test mode

43:04right now. So if you’re building and you’re building on test nets uh you’re deploying there you’re able to use clock. We are not yet on weet. So that’s what we have for upgrades. Let’s go to the next slide. So for the builders here we are giving some support. Uh we have two forms of how builders can participate or come in and scroll and get supported despite you know any other support they may need maybe technical. So we have two models for local nodes. So these are regional hubs where we do auxiliator programs and someone else will come in and talk about that. So we have uh Kenya, Brazil, we

43:47have Korea, um we have Mexico, Argentina, local nodes. Uh we empowering communities through other initiatives for founders programs. And then we have open campus. Some of you have applied for open campus. Uh we encouraging you to be So for open campus uh we are in our second campus and uh we have project coming in this year we have one project from Nigeria this pair uh they are part of the second campus and so we encouraging builders and giving up to 100k uh funding. So yeah, so if you want to be in the next campus which will be probably January next year, prepare your projects have it ready and um do some

44:49quality work and have good traction and apply for open campus. We are not strict, we are not biased when it comes to region. So even if you’re from Africa, even if you’re from US, your Canada, you can still get back to this campus. We have one project called out to grow that was part of the other campus uh the other cohort. So if you meet them somewhere here you just get to understand what how the experience was. Uh you want to follow us this is our test net uh code discord follow us on X and thank you I will welcome Mu to talk about Kenya local node and what they’re

45:28doing where they are. Thank you. Mama. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. So, uh good afternoon. My name is Matu. I run programs at Web3 Clubs. So the clubs we are supporting uh founders early stage founders as well as uh running cohorts for different um stacks on blockchain. So we’re about 5 years old now and this is our uh ninth cohort. Uh we have nine cohorts so far and a good number of us here have gone through web clubs cohort. So it’s really good to see alumni leading communities and also you know running their own um programs. So today I wanted to talk about uh scroll who supported us with uh

46:46uh running this uh first founders uh cohort uh which is a 3 months cohort for uh nine early stage projects. Some of them are here. Um, and uh, if you want to see what’s going on, what they’re building, just visit our booth over there and you should be able to get familiar with uh, what’s currently, you know, happening. Cha uh, Panda Quest there with Lei U, really good job. So, it’s good to see you. Mine was just to say the next cohort is starting um, in October 1st. October 1st. So if you know any early stage dreamers uh or talented people out there who uh want to roll out products

47:29and want support one way or another mentorship uh small grants please let them uh ask them to reach out to us just go to the scroll booth u scan a QR code there and you just go directly into community uh then for web three clubs I really want to keep this short so I think was you can chips and these are some comic books. It will help you understand our history where we’ve come from and some of our soul. Yeah, just spread them around. Were they just three? Okay. So, so if you missed one, just pass by the booth. Say, Alex sent you and you got one. So, thank you very much

48:32to the organizers. Thank you for always having us. Thank you. Thank you so much. You guys took less than 10 minutes. Okay. So, do you guys want to stretch before we proceed? We do a stretch. I want to do Who’s going to dance? I don’t want to. You can teach me. Do we have Anguka? DJ, you have it. Okay. Okay. Let’s get it first then before we proceed. Auntie smart. Yeah, I just sm before we proceed like just the chorus Yes.

49:56Is it that one? Yeah. Come, come, come. You teach us. It is all it is. Make a video down. Okay, thank you. Thank you. I’ll stop there.

51:02Thank you. So, we’ll go to the next short talk uh by Johnny. I couldn’t find any other speakers for deep in so we had to we had to convert it to a short talk. Um so if we could have that projected you get on the stage. Are you comfortable here? The stage looks better. Hey everyone, nice to see you all here. So I’m going to be talking about deepen um decentralized physical infrastructure. I’ll give some background on what exactly that is for people who don’t know. Um but essentially yeah for the longest time you know on centralized entities like you know governments or big corporations. I’m just waiting on my

51:54slides. Um there we are. Yeah. So deep decentralized physical infrastructure. You can go to the next one. Um yeah so we relied on you know centralized entities like governments um or large corporations to deploy infrastructure all kinds of infrastructure but governments are often sometimes inefficient I wouldn’t talk too much about our local government so as to not get in trouble but yeah um because of that you know we lack a lot of important infrastructure that we need for all sorts of applications um but doing it in a decentralized way using blockchain using crypto allows for us to scale infrastructure really quickly at reduced costs and it de democratizes the

52:36ownership of that infrastructure. Next slide. So um yeah, so where PLCK IoT uh I’m Johnny and I’ll talk I’ll give you three examples of different projects we’re working with uh lo locally in Kenya um to increase infrastructure. So one of them is with weather XM and that relates to weather data. So forecasting in Kenya or or in yeah in emerging markets is quite inaccurate because of the lack of weather data. Um and yeah that the lack of that weather data means farmers anybody who needs to plan you know for weather events is at a disadvantage. But weather XM provides these stations where anybody can purchase a station and when they host

53:17that station they generate weather data which um which then can be used right for better forecasting and for all sorts of applications. You can go to the next slide. Don’t worry too much about what’s on the the right and on the slides. I see it might be a bit unclear. It’s what I’m talking about. Anyway, so here you see one of the weather stations that’s at a farm in Tiggoni, a coffee farm. And yeah, that’s a screenshot from the platform where you can see all the weather data that’s been collected. Everything from atmospheric pressure, humidity, rain, temperature. Um, and that then gives you a localized

53:49forecast. And yeah, no, back on please. um just to stay on the weather data and yeah I want to keep this talk you know in a way where I can give you guys some takeaways and maybe how you can contribute to the to to deepen as well. So a good example and I see Moses is in the crowd. What’s up Moses? Maybe stand up so guys can see you just so in case they have some questions. So Moses was part of a hackathon where you know people were invited to build products on top of weather XM’s data right so he came up with this product it’s called

54:20parametric insurance. So a lot of farms they’re insured um in case of you know events like flooding or drought but that insurance is often really expensive because it involves you know someone from the insurance company going to the farm and assessing the damages you know those are a lot of overheads but yeah Moses built a a tool where you know it will let’s say you’re insured against flooding once a certain amount of millimeters of rain is recorded then immediately there’s a payout done to that farmer’s empa so that makes it yeah that makes it a lot more smoother and cheaper for the farmer to insure their

54:55farm. Um, gives the insurance companies another product to sell and yeah gives Weather XM a client for the data. So really everybody wins and that all boils down to community, right? Those those spots you see there, those are just individuals maybe farmers and making that data available for us to to yeah improve services in the country. Um, yeah. And with the weather stations, you know, you can purchase a station, host it, earn some tokens from hosting it, so you earn money, of course, and yeah, you can either buy it yourself or there’s also community financing where somebody else in the community can finance it. Another one I wanted to talk

55:34about is mapping. So, we’re partnered with Oncoy. So, GPS, uh, just to give some background into the infrastructure itself so that we’re all on the same page. Um GPS is accurate to meters, which is fine for, you know, if you’re using Google Maps and you just want to navigate up and down a road, you know, it can tell which direction you’re going in. But for applications like drones or precision farming, you know, autonomous vehicles, whether it’s autonomous tractors on the road or it’s, you know, um Oh, yeah. Uh sorry, autonomous tractors on a farm or just cars on a road, you need centimeter level accuracy, right? So you can go to the

56:11and that yeah um that accuracy is not very available in Kenya and if it is or in Africa and if it is it’s very expensive and it’s scarce. Um you can go to the next slide. So what we’re doing with and this is something that any of you can do. So on the left you see that’s a DIY station a do-it-yourself station of Onoys which is essentially just a small computer right there’s a fan there’s a you know a CPU a GP GPS module and a Wi-Fi module and the the container we actually we printed it in uh 3D printed it in Kenya here in

56:44Nairobi and now you can see the coverage that we’ve managed to get across and don’t be discouraged to deploy your own because yeah let’s say mine goes off right we still let’s say because I have a power cut It’s good if there’s somebody else nearby me who’s also running one. So there’s still a lot of space even within that area but also across the continent to deploy them yourself. And to deploy one of these it’ll cost maybe around $200. So about 30,000 shillings um in the parts. You can just order them. I can send you the links. Uh I’ll share my socials, but you can also come and say what’s up and I’ll

57:17share you everything. Um and yeah, you can build it yourself. I’ll send you the 3D um you know model for the case. You can get that done wherever you are and then you can connect it to the network um provide you know provide that infrastructure in your local area and earn tokens from it from contributing to the network and you at their current token price you earn about let’s say $30 a month. So yeah, with a cost of $200 after 7 8 months or so, you’ve earned back your return on investment and then you’re yeah, you’re you’re earning tokens while contributing to the infrastructure in your area, supporting

57:50local entrepreneurs, supporting all sorts of services. You can go to the next slide. Um, yeah, there’s many projects we’re working on in deepening in different ways, but I thought this was also a third interesting one to to give an example about because I see there’s from what I see there’s a lot of environmentally conscious people here. Um, this one is with Arc Green. So they, yeah, they make smart meters which you can plug into your solar system at home or maybe you have a solar system in your factory. And what that does is it records the the the data, you know, the consumption and the production of your

58:25system and verifies that by putting that on the blockchain. You know, we’re able to have, you know, verifiable data of how much you’re producing and how much you’re consuming. Um you can go to the next slide and yeah and then that allows you to to contribute to the to carbon credit markets right there’s a global carbon credit market but small individuals can’t really you know um contribute to it because you know there’s a lack of trust and you know somebody just a small individual rather than a company but with your verifiable carbon uh uh sorry renewable energy data you can contribute so here we’ve just we just imported the

59:02first smart meter in Kenya so that’s the first one. Those are the solar panels on my parents’ roof. I don’t have a roof with solar panels, but they do. So, I plugged it into their their system and now they’re earning yeah carbon micro credits from from having a renewable energy system. That’s just a picture of the Nairobi skyline. And on the right you can see um you can see a screenshot from the app which is measuring you know the the energy consumption and production from their system and then ultimately rewarding them for contributing to a to to a more sustainable planet. Uh next slide. Yeah

59:38that’s about it. So I mean if if I have any takeaways it’s that yeah I think it’s awesome that you know Africa is now and other you know emerging markets are now being able to develop infrastructure that previously wasn’t there through a decentralized way. It’s a real great example of how you know of blockchain and crypto at firsthand. You know we were talking about onboarding the next billion or whatever. And I think an easy way to do that is by giving real world applications right. So weather data weather stations. Yeah it’s running on on crypto. which run it on blockchain but it does have a real world impact

60:11which is quite clear for everyone to see um and then yeah and that and that anybody can contribute right is all about community so take my content come say what’s up and I’ll I’ll send you all the information you need to also start hosting your own stations and you can earn from that as well as you know um yeah uh contribute to the infrastructure that’s needed all from me thanks guys Do we have any questions?

60:39Any questions? Hello, my name is Dan. So I have some few questions on the DP network. How do you handle reliability around our physical infrastructure especially in low network areas dealing with latency and uh two uh are there any primary customers you target and three can you talk about applications around especially dealing with are there any organizations working around that

61:24um okay so first yeah to answer the first question yeah there’s ways so for example with the weather stations you can deploy your station but you have to upload a photo of it, right? Like let’s say I have a weather station but I I deploy it here on the ground, right? It’s not obviously going to have accurate wind, you know, measurements or sun measurements because it’s covered. It needs to be somewhere out in the open. So like with that, you have to upload a photo of your deployment on the app and that’s verified and then that gives you tokens, right? And if you if you haven’t verified your station, then

61:53you’ll earn less tokens. So there’s all these, you know, like kind of yeah mechanisms within the incentivization structure to get more accurate data, right? like to ensure that okay this this is accur actually actually accurate data. Um your other question was yeah I mean examples there’s so many examples there’s there’s these cool guys I met the other day called Natics they what they’re doing is like on your phone you can use you know put your phone as a dash cam or if you have a Tesla there’s not so many in Kenya but in the west they’re there you can plug in one of their modules to your Tesla which is

62:26constantly recording everything around you right and then you can use that to contribute to the to mapping of the city streets and things like that so using something you already have or your phone you can just put your phone on your dash cam and yeah and and earn like that there’s grass I think grass is known a lot grass basically all computers have like um limit um or you use a certain amount of bandwidth but there’s more bandwidth available so you can basically sell your extra bandwidth for cloud computing storage from any of your devices there’s there’s a lot of different applications yeah hi hi

63:17You can hear me right? I can hear you. My name is Johnstone and uh I was wondering how you handle the tokconomics where uh where

63:28Yeah. How how we handle the tokconomics. Um yeah so again I mean that depends on the on the different projects but but I can then I can use the weather XM project the weather station project as an example. Um basically yeah you know I I’ve deployed the stations so they’re sending me I I get rewarded in the tokens every day for the data that my station is producing and of course health pressure by me right I can’t do much with the weather XM tokens so I’ll them for Ethereum maybe offramp them for so of course that will price to go down a bunch right because anybody who’s

63:58earning the tokens is just selling them so how they work how they deal with that on the other end is anybody who wants that data so like insurance companies you know construction companies anybody who’s interested in weather data they have to buy token high pressure and yeah and like that you can have healthy tokconomics but it’s a good question because that’s what it all boils down to at the end right like deepen is a new sort it’s a new model that can be applied helium was the first you know IoT um deepen project and the token price the token t and now there’s Yeah, the tokconomics question is a good

64:40one. Different projects um are building different models um on the way that they think it’s best to solve, you know, to run consult for for for builders and whatnot. Yeah, good question.

64:52Yeah. Yeah. Hi. Uh she’s over here. Uh we run a deep dojo. I know it all. Yes, sir. And uh oil back we have quite a number of members who are like they did they have like geodet stations

65:08and uh we’re looking to also like do a mine on a coil uh and we had like challenges outsourcing the components. Yeah. So can you guys like help us out?

65:20Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Let’s talk. Um I have yeah links to all the suppliers guys in China that can sell can sell the can can send over the different units. It’s quite affordable these days. Um yeah with G so Geodet that he talked about it’s a similar project project to oncoy um with the GPS mapping but the difference with the two projects and the reason why we like ony more is geodet is hardware like you have to use their hardware right so you have to buy a geodet you know minor and and then you connect that to the network but Oliver is so you can build your own hard

65:54you know it’s basically a little computer right a raspberry pi so you could buy a pre-built one you could build your mode and connect it to the network and actually yeah there there’s some hackers in the space that are even finding ways to use the geoet ones to to dual mine on coy at the same time. So there’s there’s a lot of interesting developments in that area. That’s awesome. Awesome.

66:17Thank you. Do we have any other question? No question. Going once, going twice and go on. Thank you so much for covering. Thanks guys for listening. Thanks for the the questions and the interactions. I’m I’m around. Yeah, happy to chat more.

66:33Yeah, I couldn’t find anyone else to talk about the topic, so I’m grateful. Um, next we have Taylor, who has a children’s book book on blockchain. Just want to make sure my slides get up there. Oh, Johnny says you can use his.

67:04Sorry. It’s okay. I don’t know anything about this. And I really swapping as we do in this community, one computer for another. Oh, I might need to log in. Oh god,

67:46sorry. Aiz, you sing for us as we get the as we log in. Hey. Okay. Can sing for us, Mom? You have a song for us? No. Okay. As you sing for us as we wait for the uh you guys to see anything.

68:08Why is she putting me on the spot like this? Colin, do you want to come and sing with me? Right. Are you guys having you want to come and sing with me? No one wants to sing. You start and then I follow. You sing. Shall we

68:27sing? Song. Okay. Which book? No, we sing. Right. Taylor and we can order the book so we can read a line from it so people buy it now.

68:53What’s that? Sorry. I was I was technical difficulties were had. I can I did not hear you. We want We want one of the kids books.

69:02What about him to read? I mean we wanted to read. Are you ready? Oh, really? Yeah, we can read a line or two. Yeah, that’s doable. I wanted to expose the matrix of uh of storytelling in web 3 first. If you could hang tight, get through the adult stuff first.

69:17Okay. Thank you, Kaja. Well, hey everyone. Thank you for coming to my talk. Uh I’m super excited talk about my experience in learning about the power of web 3 storytelling. Um a power of web storytelling in web 3. This will be a first time shot at switching the slides. Uh, sweet. That worked. Um, awesome. Like I said, my name is Taylor Ley. I’m a brand designer at Cababs. I wrote a children’s book called Kumbio. Kumbio means exchange in Portuguese. We’ll get into that. Um, Kumbio is based on self philosophy that it’s very much so my philosophy, my belief in what web 3 can achieve if it’s properly coordinated and

69:58properly working with grassroots economics um and the great work that they’re doing based on basically I call the evolution of rotational labor associations and you can talk to Will who’s in the crowd if you’re interested more in that and of course he’s haduch uch a big footprint on this event already. Um, so this story, this background, bear with me as I uh figure out what There we go. Starts with a story that Se would tell over and over again. He’s the person who taught me what the power of storytelling as a way to cast out vision, mission, and values into uh the future that we’re

70:53trying to build for. So way back when we were just 10 people, I saw a person just sit in front of us and tell a very plain story about a bus token. And this thing I I remember hearing it and being like, I don’t know what’s going on. I can’t believe we’re doing this on a beach. Can we just party a little bit? We’re we’re working in crypto. It sounds like a lot of fun. I’m going to get further into that, but let’s go back. Let’s go to the story and I’ll I’ll show you what advanced after um after hearing him tell her that story

71:24over and over and over again. So way back in maybe starting the 1970s, but most prevalent over the 1990s to the 2000s, there was a litter problem in Kurichiba, Brazil. And the roads were just too narrow for garbage trucks to get into to collect litter. And so the city felt responsible. They said, “We want to pick up that litter, but we need you um to take it to a place where we could collect it.” They talked to neighborhood leaders and they were down. They got people in those neighborhoods to come grab that litter and exchange it for bus tokens. And over time, sure enough, it worked.

72:02Um you it was by the pound, uh sorry, it was by the KG. Um not one for one, but there was a set amount and people got bus tokens based off that amount that was exchanged. And it was it took place in a lot of neighborhoods that might not be able to afford bus transit. So it was a big deal. It was highly incentivized and made a lot of sense given the use case. And over time something really special happened that no one expected. Uh the bus tokens were pegged one. One bus token was one raale and people would trade them individually and over and

72:37what happened was uh shops started accepting them for goods and this is what seep laid out and he thought this would be an amazing thing to extend and be able to unlock with the power of blockchain. So we tell this story over and over and over again. And so this token is God this is just come on is backed by let’s get them all out first is backed by the well-being of the neighborhood. So the people in public transit it was an open financial system which was proof of work and anyone could participate. There’s no you don’t have to KYC. Um, literally we could all go to

73:16Kuriba today and go to that exchange and participate without having a residential proof of residential uh, proof of residence and uh, or a country ID. And last uh, and then it was also a community currency. It worked alongside the Royale and um, and it did not disrupt the the value of the Royale. And I think most interestingly is that God I’ll just I’ll just talk about the last one was that there are on and off ramps everywhere. these local vendors, they function as um onetoone uh like on and off ramps and you could go to a you go to a magazine stand, give 30 bus tokens and receive 30 Royale. This

73:55is the future that Cella was projecting into and is something that I learned a lot about as a storyteller. What are we building? What are you trying to create? Who’s coming with you? And how do we make that happen? Was kind of all solved in the story. Oh no, we got to force quit. That’s a risk. Um, could you exit that little window? Awesome. He he he told the story one more time, but all of a sudden he started pointing at different people in the audience like, “Thank you for your contribution to UBI. Thank you for tokenizing trash. Thank you for setting up real power of

74:47getting to know yourself really well, where you want to go, and how you’re going to get the things you need to go change the world with in this crazy web 3 world we’re all working on. Let’s break that down a little bit. I believe web 3 is a story and it’s time that we all start thinking like authors. We are part of a Bitcoin story. We’re part of Ethereum story. that we’re opting in. And so much of our um our work is curating the right set of partners to make the biggest difference possible. And if you’re not thinking like an author, you are missing out

75:26maximizing the impact you’re able to make and the wealth you’re a prosperity you’re able to create. Oh god, that is some of my work. That’s more of my work. Um, and there is behind that is Will. I’m gonna push on. Um, but although there’s a lot of good graphics, Will, do you I don’t really know if I want to tell my password over microphone enveloped in our project. A project is our day-to-day lives. I even call it like we’re nearsighted. We can only think one step at a time. But if you could think like an author, you could split these two apart. split these two apart and think of

76:31yourself as the author of your project. Your project being your protagonist and the the and you get to sit and take this thousand foot view, oh my god, 10,000 foot view of where you get to decide where your project wants to go, where it needs to accomplish, who are the friends that you’re going to make along the way. And so here’s a simple diagram of how I kind of visualize web 3 projects. We have our project on built on top of a layer 1. Sometimes you are the layer one, but in this case we’re built on top of layer 1. We have our partners all connected and

77:01users freely going in and out of our platform and our partners’ platform. And this is just the nature of the beast. And you see back. Wow. Hey, we’re going to go next slide over here. That’s what we’re going to do. Um probably was go back please. Cool. All right. So after setting this up story that you can imagine on Hollywood on um books on TV shows we have stuff like in the hole or scroll these are very typical stories they all have a shape I judge that a lot of us are building a creative I believe you start answering what are you building who’s building with you and what impact

77:43are you making and with all that you have an equation that is the the world you are the world you build next slide And I want to and then the other part is finding a story. It’s not entirely easy. The example I gave was Seth, looking back in time at different instances in in human history where there’s something that it could be something that is the biggest what if in um in economics that you’re interested in that your product might be solving. And then no matter the size, this is what you’re uh know the stories you’re connected to. I mentioned that you know we are living in a Bitcoin

78:22story if we participate in one. Uh same with Ethereum, same with Tether, same with Cello, whatever that looks like. Know the ones you’re attached while it was for me literally being the first employee at Cello. I’d be like I would then be turning back to the crowd and realizing like wow it’s coming true. They’re eating it up. They’re very in know where you are and where you want to go. this is this is how you set people up with a very approachable way of saying this is where we’re going. Um when I say this is your ground floor, this is where you meet your family

78:54members. This is where you meet the person on the street and say I’m building a vision of the world that allows you to send transactions anywhere. You take out all of that uh all the jargon, all the technical background and you’re saying this is the vision that I’m heading towards and I want you to walk with me. Next slide. Uh, thank you. Lastly, and um and I believe they have to be told if or we’re going to lose people. So, as someone that has been with founders like you in translating um what you’re up to, the I observed the uh the exchange and I I got

79:28to know this thing front to back. I watched people um participate. I talked to the director. I talked to urban planners. And so here’s a picture of the child maybe taking this first bus ride. Not dissimilar to someone um you know making their first swap on unis swap. It’s story moments in which um people’s opening up. Next slide. And how beautiful of a world could that be? Could it be something that’s linked to our our natural man? Could be a very complex system like the ones we’re building to really create this awesome synergistic effect. And um and I I I really believe it’s these stories are

80:14going to marry. Uh I could I could offer that to you. Um I’m going to be hanging out at the grassroots economics booth after this. Um if you want to continue the conversation about the storytelling and more interesting like more more conversations about communication and how to simplify the work we’re doing, I’m going to be available at booth and uh I have books for sale. And I want to say lastly, uh, it’s just awesome to be here. I really I’m just really appreciate that there’s a place where I could actually spend stable coins and participate in this amazing um day-to-day life that could be crypto. So, thank you.

80:58Thank you so much. You’re welcome. Is there any question? Uh thank you for the presentation. My name is Sam. How much do you sell the book?

81:23They are 100 for hard cover. Okay. Uh nice. Um so a big population of Kenyan um are earn less than $1 a day. So how do you make sure that it is accessible to everyone? The book.

81:45The book. Yeah. Well, that is not totally going to be solved in this trip. I like I I’m coming here to develop a second book and I would love if I were to ever publish here it would become affordable like they would be affordable copies but for here this was just something we threw together. In fact grassroots economics surprised me with making paperback copies that are far more in price.

82:10Okay. Okay. Cool. The second question um we have in ter because of the culture uh we have different way of telling stories. So, how do you make sure that you go above the barriers of the culture difference to make sure that you the founders develop like a good story?

82:27That’s a great question. There’s so much for me to learn. I’ll be working with Will. I’ll be I have a guide that will take me to a community here. And I want to say that what’s really special about Will’s platform while the its origin while there’s many different origins all over the all over the world about rotational labor associations, I have the benefit of, you know, meeting a friend and being able to check it out here. But what’s wild and very special is that in the states there’s an organization that adopted the grassroots economics uh network as a way to coordinate resources. And my first stop

82:59will be here, my next stop will be there. There could be more that I do research on. And then there’s a story that I hope is more international while still grounded in the Kenyan culture. And we’ll see how I do. But I I’m it’s important to me like especially writing a book about another culture that it sits in the community structure and my and hopefully just my imagination and getting some of these cultural notes right that it lands for them. It’s a big deal to me that Kurichiba in Brazil appreciates my book and I’m excited there one day and get exposed to whatever happens, be judged for whatever

83:34happens. Thank you. Good question. Any others? Do we have Okay, I have a question. sell what’s designing a culture designing land um you know I imagine was a founder he had a lot of writing he had a lot of beliefs what kind getting to sit with him and getting to make sense because I’m not technical. Does it look like this? Does it feel like that? Were things that I got to do with him. few really close um team members that um out there since the 2010s that maybe today just looks like the Matrix had a scores and unique story whether we succeeded or not. That’s where we where we started.

84:56How what would a blockchain look like if it was really for the people? If we were to have abstract use abstract abstract visuals to tell the story inclusive way people can start learning that have simple stories that help them go from one building block to another. Hiring was a big deal. Um Vanessa, the late Vanessa, my my good friend teammate. Um she made a point to really really meet a world ought to be building a a blockchain. Um we go research places from there building and and grow as we were throughout time. Um, so what does that look like? Seeing the people that other questions

86:00was about you. I’m kidding. Another question then we are closing for today. As a reminder, tomorrow we have service for Kevin. Um, invitation to everyone to attend. It will be at Salty’s. Um, invite Joan. Joan is our panelist, our moderator. Um, and then we also have

86:27Thank you. We also have James Wasunga. James Wonga Karibu Sama stage. Please clap for him. Please clap for him. Should I give this to him?

86:42Alvin. Alvin. Yay. Alvin. Yeah. Okay. Come on stage. Lastly, we have um Hi everybody. Thank you. This is I’m a developer of it’s a coound of uh uh social media platform uh that enable uh users to interact just the same way as Twitter and Facebook work. Then uh currently I’m also part of stack race uh a project support platform both are stuck. personally here. Uh I’m here as a DRPC. I’m the DRPC ambassador for Africa. So I think we’ll get more in touch as we go. Hello. Thank you for attending this one. My name is Web 3 and founders with their startup. So if you have any idea, you can approach me.

88:54Yeah, I got for that’s my living. I got for for the leave. Uh, thank you. Hi. Well, uh, my name is Alvin Mambi, but you can call me Stainer. I like Stainer. Alvin sounds kidish. Well, um, I’m I lead the security docket. I swept practically. I’m an ethical hacker. I do a lot of uh web two, Android security, mobile security. I audit smart contracts. Uh I do IoT security and everything in the security docket. Um well, looking forward for your question, sir. Cheers.

89:34Amazing. So, we’re going to explore what it takes to keep users and their asct safe. Okay. In the web three category. So, let’s start. So in your view what is the biggest challenge developers are facing when guarding to when it comes to building secure applications? We can have both perspective from a dev and from a security person.

89:59Let’s start with the dev. Okay. Uh king. Uh the biggest uh security concern for on perspective of developers. Okay. Most of developers uh usually get this aspect of not ableing to we are not able to balance between security usability and uh innovation whereby several developers get pressure of shipping uh you find that before your product gets to that stage where it needs to be shipped before you implementing security concerns on your smart contract you see a pressure from the other people maybe you are developing consistently with another person also from another project you started the maybe moments. So you want your product to be shipped also the same month

90:43without considering smart contract auditings and the rest that’s result to vulnerability within the smart contract. So that’s a very big major uh concern which usually happens to us as developers. Several developers see shipping as a way forward without having to know that best growth is when you have your product very secure or secured before taking it to the market. Yeah. Okay. For me, the biggest security challenge will be uh innovating with the speed of the the hype. Yeah. They told us uh you build beyond the hype. But it is easier said than done because you know when you’re building investing in this uh the emotion of the people. So once you delay

91:38somebody else has done what you should have built. So the challenge with uh that is that you build an unsecured applications that lead to exploit you you have the smart contract exploits. So once you r in building your product will be prone to vulnerabil vulnerability security vulnerabilities. Yeah. Thank you.

92:08Well uh to just summarize on that uh with the with what they have said we’ll find that most developers they have a goal of uh the project just being running to life I mean executing. So once it executes they are well uh they’re ready to go to the market but they lack the best practices for security. You need to audit your project uh in all phases though they’ll see phases you need to ensure that uh their test security test from fasting to form of verification name them all you need to have those uh tests under so that when your code or when your smart contract is live um it’s secure. So for

92:48that most developers uh they just measure on the product just going live or executing at the smart con. So that’s what they measure in. So they lack the security best practices on how they have to secure the private keys. They have to secure the uh business logic vulnerabilities and everything basically the OASP to obtain for web three uh project. Yeah.

93:10Okay. So amazing. So I’ve heard most of you saying about security audit right? So we all know like security audits are like damn expensive right? So what about for the small people like who are starting up like the startups who are creating application maybe on payments and and and other things that deals with yeah the asset stuff. How do they go up ahead with security despite of the too much cost? How are the smaller things they can start to do so that they can still apply security despite of it despite of the audit cost being high? Well, uh I get that. So, basically, hiring a security auditor or hiring an

93:52ethical hacker to have a look at your project, uh it’s quite expensive because that guy is skilled. Maybe their quotation might be quite expensive. So, for you to handle that, you can maybe get uh first you need to get your internal security auditor for your project can find somehow maybe a co-ounder or whatever can have that. But the most important thing that I keep recommending to the project or the open space is that uh we have in the space in the space of cyber security the hackers. You go to hackers, you got the malicious guys, you also go to the ethical guys. Of course for the malicious guys you

94:26need to have a way you have those malicious guys they audit your project give you a report. And how do you do that? You need to give them something back bounty program whereby they audit your code or the on the open space. You can also have it as invite only whereby they they audit your code, they audit your protocol, give you the report and give them you can give them some small bounty s in in some sort of a rewards. You can also give them a hall of fame if you can’t afford paying them can give them a hall of fame on your project. Let’s say um some uh security researcher

94:58XY Z gave us some vulnerability. We pedged it. Well, as a security researcher, I’d be glad for having that. Other than you don’t respond, uh, you take, okay, in security have 90 days disclosure. Those are the days that I count from the first day I give you a vulnerability, a responsible disclosure disclosure. You haven’t patched that vulnerability. I got a right to go public and tell the users that um the project XY Z they have a vulnerability this is the vulnerability so you better maybe get your funds you get your tokens out of that protocol because they have not fixed this vulnerability well so basically I recommend the programs the

95:45opensource security project okay y yeah so just to add something on top uh okay we know that uh the auditing cost we all are developers when it reach to aspect of now your contract needs or your code need to be audited it’s usually gets more expensive like unless you have already laid funds with you so that’s why they get to advice as a developer you need to have some uh cash with you to help you push through but in case for new developers or for guys who are uh early in the team who the audit cost may be expensive there usually some open source for test of audits uh we

96:25have example of Open source tools we have slether we have mythics you can name them all so you can give a test about that as you time yourself for mainet now giving yourself again as you said uh openly to other community peer-to-peer peer review from community and seeking some audit grants from community that aim to give some grants for those who need their project or contract to be audited for that case

96:54okay John on the issue of uh audits audits are very costly for startups but uh as African builders uh we have uh found a way we can do this audits at a cheaper cost. For example, when it comes to community reviewed uh we have the community reviews they they are cheaper compared to the audits. And uh we have also automated tools and uh we also have uh there’s something I’m forgetting about that. So I’m saying as builders the course are not a barrier to our potential. So we have a community that we can review the audits. Okay. Thank you.

97:53Okay. So I’ve heard you have said about open source like using opensource tools right so of late you heard about the npm supply chain attack right it’s all about the dependency that we are often using as a open source tool being the like a weekend list like where attackers they used to attack our products like right so how can we approach that such that we can make sure that the the dependent encies and the the open source tools that you’re using they’re secure how can you go ahead with that

98:31okay uh I think that’s critical on developer side uh so uh we’ve realized several brutes usually comes about when it comes to now the npm itself the package managers so the best advice for guys who build here so usually have some strategies to ensure your application is very secure despite you using using the dependencies which we know very well libraries are usually prone to some libraries are usually prone to bridge for attacks. So for developers uh on best we know that npms have now been more case uh being used to trigger breakdown in projects. So you can check on make using lo files uh lo files

99:15that’s the best way uh then apart from lo files uh you can pin your dependencies. So when I talk about pinning your dependency you it’s okay you need to be specific and know the exact version of your dependency you are using. So if in case you’re using maybe version 4.5 6 for that case you can mention them all instead of a spread uh version a spread version depends cuz maybe we working as a team I may be having the code laid repo laid in my machine and the entire setup on my machine then I give to my friend over there uh the code to clone it then uh

99:50different based on spread out different versions get to be generated based on each and every person’s layout. So uh her version was won’t be the same as your version depending on the npm installed in your machine. So that’s become a very uh access through to our through the mpm. Then when you talk about lock files we have package JSON that’s an example of best lock file. So uh you can mention them all. We have package JSON package lock JSON. So ensure your when you’re using LO file ensure your LO file is well and very uh well initiated and well known by you. Then another thing then this the lastly

100:29most curious thing developers usually follow guides from tutorial and some from we can the LLM you use the large language models let me say cloud. So make sure the dependency you’re installing in your application is a a dependency you understand what it does. So don’t run a dependency based on the aspect like it does before knowing what it does. So li libraries are nowadays known as a prune like libraries are usually more some libraries are used as a an access to your uh to your code snippets also you can mention it. So be well conversant with a dependency before you download it or before you install it

101:04what it does. So I think 1 million 2 million okay uh to add on that uh the supply chain attacks there are something that’s giving the security community not only the web three community talk about the uh mobile security the web security it’s giving them a hell of uh night auditing uh the packages that we have on the public repositories as a protocol or as a company you need to owe them. This is a result. I’ve seen bags bugs have lot a lot of funds because of those uh packages because find that somebody gets access to a given package they have their back door there. Then once uh

101:51maybe a project runs and they call the uh public repository or that particular uh package or dependency they get uh what we call it in the web two uh or the Android security we call it a remote code execution gives you the whole the super admin privileges of that particular u server or or application. So basically the supply chain attacks from the third party uh that parties are something that we need to give uh as in web tree we need to give what you call the first priority as a protocol ensure that you audit the packages the npm packages the dependencies that you use uh ensure that you are well conversed

102:32with the dependency confusion vulnerabilities um ensure that the registries you audit them ensure that you are on a well and audited registry to avoid those kinds of back doors to avoid those kinds of vulnerabilities like the one we had a few days ago. Uh so you need to ensure have a secure docket doing regular audits on your npm packages and any other third party integration. So by doing that you be quite a safe environment. Of course you can’t be 100% secure. So you just try to be at least a level that you get an a you get. Yeah.

103:13Okay. So for that you have learned like how to build like safe application right using the open source like how to make sure like the open source that you’re using and the dependency they are secure. So let’s say we have already built application. How do we keep our users safe and their assets safe? We make sure they security as they using those applications. Yeah. Okay. So, uh on the perspective of making our users safe when using this applications. So, we have several application outside here in the world. Uh different applications get to be improved, developed daily and shipped. So, the best way to ensure users are

103:57secure. uh we need to check on the best way is to ensure if a security guy let me say Alvin here you need to check uh visit a security guy to ensure that the smart contract it’s well reviewed so user won’t know what all this is about he’ll realize the application is not secure once he has lost the fund so to ensure your user is secure your users who are you are targeting are very secure you need to first give a visit to an auditing personnel or the team behind auditing to ensure your uh contracts are safe. Then also another thing you need to have uh a very close up you not only

104:38any other and if you’re using endpoints with within your application consider using decentralized uh RPC decentralized RPCs those are the decentralized uh providers that give decentralized remote procedure calls for example one of them the top being the RPC. So again apart from that uh you can also to ensure our users doesn’t lose the best thing is education. I’ll crown it by saying the best thing to ensure users doesn’t lose uh their assets from here is educate users on the fishy. Uh there are several fishy links and uh scam outside here. So education is the best treatment for this. Educate users uh on how they should be what they should be taking

105:18care of and constants in the application your application as our own. Yeah, thank you. Uh to keep the user safe, uh as a builder, you have to use vated libraries. Just add on what uh James has said and also you have to test the application. There’s no shortcut in that. You have to test your application and uh for the offchain uh security, you have to educate your users about the application. Yeah.

105:55Okay. Um that’s a something that we give we we call it a cold red situation because if I have a an application you have a finance there you’re the guy who is using the finance as a user called as a user or as a client. So to keep the user safe the user safe um one of the most things that impacts the users is what we call social engineering. what they said about social engineering or fishing those kinds of attacks we call them uh in the layman’s language human hacking you keep kind of a cheat code you trick somebody’s mind you trick them maybe you

106:32can tell them that the support from a given protocol XY Z and they give you the private key so ensure that your user knows that a private key no support team will ask them for a private key sure that your users know the basic security because If we as the protocol offer the best the best one of the best and the best security um platforms on the planet but our users are not well educated about the security. What will happen? The social engineers the fraudsters the scammers they come in and exploit that perspective for social engineering. They trick our users. They trick them that you get an iPhone for free. They get

107:16maybe some car for free in Mombasa. Uh those those social engineering tricks. Uh if if you’re a guy who likes girls, so they trick you. You find a cool a cool guy a cool lady on a on your DM and uh you’ll be there you you find yourself giving out your private key. So such is the basic education that we need to ensure that our users go that when it come to our applications protocols uh despite the fact that we are running smart contract the web tree that we have audited we need to also ensure that the applications the phones that you’re using because you have to use your

107:48device if it’s a phone it’s a if it’s a laptop if it’s a device ensure that that’s also something that’s secure ensure that if you’re using an operating system like Windows you are up to date you’re not vulnerable to the existing zero case you are not vulnerable to the existing CVE to the back doors if that laptop or uh PC you’re using that for your development uh that’s for the developers if you’re using that particular machine to push your code for the main protocol ensure that it’s only for work purposes you can’t go ahead and maybe do your stuff there I’ve seen a scenario initially where by one of the de one of

108:28the developers um I’m sorry to say this uh he or she was watching something some some sort of a pornography. So when they were doing that there’s some malware that got installed it’s a back door and it got access to their uh to their machine and that’s how they were it handed on a heat on a ha so we have seen such scenarios on the forensics team we have seen that we have audited that we have seen that in in the past and even the previously so we also have something to audit is also something related to that so ensure that you are secure in

109:03all ways possible educate your users something That’s quite very much important. Don’t run a secure application without your users not being secure, without them knowing that they need to identify fers from your support team. Yep, that’s it.

109:22So secure. Okay. So you said about like maintaining the users trust by privacy, ensuring that their privacy. So of late you’ll be hearing about ZK’s zero knowledge proofs. They’re kind of hot right now. How do they shift the landscape of developer responsibilities and security guarantees when it comes to ZKS?

109:51Okay. Mhm. So for z case uh so just to break it down uh z case these are zero knowledge proofs. So okay uh biggest impact to ZK on uh developer ZK uh okay uh Horn let me give it a snap so as we understand how ZK work I think from that Horn this aspect when you wanted to prove your KYC you needed to uh directly upload your stuff central central way uh somebody gets to access your details uh get what he or she needs not to know. So this where by ZK was learned implemented after the comeups. ZK is new but it’s growing. It’s a big now. It’s a big uh

110:39everybody’s bullish about it outside here. So ZK uh the best key about ZK. ZK gives users that key aspect like you own your own data. Nobody needs to know what you are the one who knows. So if it’s about proving yourself to be who you are, you just do your KYC without any other person knowing what you are. That’s a a good example of it. So ZK has been has brought a great uh it’s more of a great and positive impact uh according to basis case of users uh concern. Then uh just to point out again on the trust one the T also has been or despite them

111:17being good also that’s another point out nothing is perfect as all through Z case and the T we are also getting some concerns with uh security issues uh despite we have something known as circute zk circuit so for those guys who work with zikk zut become a great concern when it’s tampered so when somebody gets a a tamper with when the zikk circute we usually know how ZK works so it flows ZK sec when I talk about ZK circuit this a very great concern and impact when it comes to ZK so this whereby if it gets tampered with uh somebody let me say it’s a person who

111:56asu data within your application it sends a a bad request or it sends a wrong request that’s are not supposed to be there so this breaks the circuit itself like the zakut within the zikk zik is more like a zero knowledge proofs it’s a flaw so that creates a great concern so despite it being good on the other side it’s also of high concern on this side is when it come to security concern so I think it’s both both around it’s of high when it’s high importance when it comes to users owning their data then when also this the zk circuit get off get bummed out then that’s also became

112:35another threat on the other side so unless you want to add Thank you, James. Uh for zero knowledge proof, I think they’re reshaping the blockchain because they they ensure scalability and privacy at the same time. But uh with this great power, there must be responsibility. what James was saying about the ZK circuit if they are very complex your guarantees will collapse so they are step in uh reshaping the blockchain but they’re also vulnerable to security they’re easier to exploit yeah that’s my take on zero zero knowledge proof Well uh they have given you the answers but just to add on that uh I I want to

113:37give you a small light on technology. Uh initially as we see the evolving of technology uh previously we got some old let’s say let’s talk about let’s take of our web two and web three um some of the theories that we get in the understanding of the technologies of the languages and everything. So when you get that that deep understanding and you think like um a hacker you know there’s this saying that you want to catch a thief think like a thief or send a thief. So if you think like a malicious guy and you already got that particular deep understanding of that particular technology you can be able to find a new

114:19vulnerability. We call them the zero days that people don’t know about and you got that. Okay. there are some of the vulnerabilities that you enjoy exploiting around because you find zero day for a vendor like Microsoft you can have fun around because they don’t know about you. So uh for the new new technologies they tend to have to be complex because you don’t know about them but when you get to understanding about them how to develop on them then you can be able to break them. So that happens to back to zero knowledge proofs. Yeah. So based on your answers and understanding on ZK’s NTS, do you think

114:59that they will create new attack surface or mainly solve the existing ones? Well um well uh they do they solve of course but also create new attack services. Uh I give you a scenario of web two and web three. Uh that’s a myth that we saw in the industry on the cyber security industry. Initially we’re doing the web to securities back then in 2018 2019. Uh we were when web three came when you guys were building on the smart contracts. We were told that you cannot hack smart contracts. Well we used to believe on that because uh couldn’t get understanding of a rust or solidity or

115:41whatever the language is. But once you get understanding of that particular technology, you can go ahead and do some sort of a reverse engineering then break that particular technology. Get that deep understanding. Uh exploit those business logic flows. You call them the business logic flaws. If you those automated tools, you can’t find those vulnerabilities. But when you think like a malicious guy, how you can trick that particular contract, it will execute the way you want. We will trick it on that particular logic. And at the end of the day, you’ll be able to break or maybe get away with some fun or get what you

116:16want. Yep. Got something. So, I think I can add something on that when it comes to preserving like will zk new attack surface or reduce the attack surface. So uh on my tech I would say like the ZK’s they’ll help solve some of the like solve and reduce some of the attack surface by them bringing the privacy aspect making sure like the datas that are being exposed right now they’re not being exposed to anyone anyhow but that does not mean that they will kind of solve all the attack surface because the more you like use open source that they already like not well protected or well

116:59not guided I mean protected ed or guarded well that’s already an attack surface on your application despite you use zks as long as you have those open source they will still like read to that attack surface being taking place okay so I think they will solve partly by the privacy and increasing the trust by hiding your data but when it comes to the security aspective that’s the another issue so to the next question is if I am a dev in this audience today and I want to start building secure by default webs what is the first concrete steps that I should take okay so let me wake up and say I’m a dev

117:46now so when I become when I’m able now to see I want now to use my machine to develop first concern for me as a developer uh I can advise myself to check on like uh everything before beginning we usually have something known as you must have with a plan a design. So for the case with the security the design here becomes the becomes now the threat explosion you need to check on specific threats that you’ll experience within your within your system you must have that mind let me just point this to us when we are developing check on also the side effect what’s apart from this when I’m building

118:29this what can the user what can the threat be done to so that’s what I’m calling about threat explosion like just think about despite doing this what can be the concern when I do this. So you should have two minds when building like to help you secure it up. So have a good plan a good design uh to help you figure it out uh to help you explore uh some of the things that can become a concern before you writing that code so that you know on the best way to secure your applications and your system when building. Yeah. So

119:04yeah, thank you for the question. So if you’re a developer here and you want to start building, uh my number one advice will be join a community. You know, blockchain is all about a community. Through the community, you’ll understand so many things like this security vulnerabilities we’re talking about here. You will have a very guided way of knowing what doesn’t work. What happens if you do this? Yeah. Before you write any solidity code, just sit down and ask yourself what assets are are at risk, who can attack this application. Yeah. So, use use ved libraries. Don’t reinvent the wheel to make it. And then uh test if you must

119:56test. There’s no card. Test test test what you are building and then engage in the community reviews. The community is a very vital part if you want to build in a Thank you. Okay. Uh you got something there. Well uh just to add on that um if I could find myself as a developer I think there are a lot of things that you can uh do to have the basic security thing. Of course um being a developer and being a security searcher there are two almost uh uh full dockets that you can uh spend time on. Uh as a developer you can’t be really 100% on when you come to cyber

120:41security but try as much as possible to get the best practice when you are developing that particular protocol. uh if it’s an application ensure that you got the best practices the security best practices you can’t uh develop blockchain protocol and give I mean handle the private keys carelessly you see uh something like that so have those best practices if you are developing something like maybe a password server that’s on a web blockchain you can’t develop um an application or a contract that stores those particular passwords on the blockchain because the the blockchain can access it publicly. So you need to find a way maybe a kind of

121:23an early to ensure that it’s secure store those passwords there. So when somebody stores an out of safe password it can be handled securely. So some of those best practices some of those security best practices you need to have those on the tips and something else just to add on this join the communities because um some of the blog pages we got like erect.news news. They publish uh a couple of hes that have been hit now and then. Uh for example, I saw some some I saw an email from them. Well, um you get to read those blogs, understand that particular haste or whatever the company

122:01that has been hugged, see the logic, see how they are hugged, then ensure that your protocol or whatever you built on is a little bit secure on that particular exploitation.

122:13Yep. Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much for all of your insight and your words. Very amazing. Does anyone in the audience have any questions to our panelist?

122:37Oh, hi again. My name is Duncan. My question specifically for Alvin. How’s web 3 incident response uh different from traditional incident response es especially web two? Well um in web two uh 1 million 2 million well uh in web two the the blue teaming basically ask about the blue teaming

123:04in web two is a little bit easy because you just integrate the same tools they do that work for you if if there’s a kind of a heat you get a notification on email telegram whatever you have integrated when we come to web three you can apply still on the same that’s if that’s if you have developed on the web two uh integ integrations but still something else when you come to the uh blockchain as an ecosystem there are tools that you can do for that but something else you can also develop custom tools to do that for example we have a we have the ChatGPT so can come

123:38creative develop your own tool fully customized that can help you handle the logic depending with their protocol on how it handles that so if there’s some sort of a fraud well I’ve just leaked something that we do inside well we have a tool that does that. So if there’s some sort of router, it will flag that give you a notification. That’s if you developed on that particular logic. Uh but for web two you know it’s a little bit you just negate those tools. If there’s a kind of a DDS attack you got that. So if you are developing a protocol and you also got the web two

124:09for example you got you have deed on the front end and whatever you experience some sort of a DDS attack the CM tools you flag that for that for you then they also handle that attack for you. for example, they can block that particular attacker the IP address. So they cannot they cannot be able to send that particular traffic to your server or wherever you have hosted it. Then coming to web tree the ecosystem you got that uh custom tool for that but we also got some tools to do that for you.

124:37Sure. Thank you. Anyone else with a question? Okay. Okay then. Thank you so much to our lovely speakers. Yes, round of applause. Okay, so for our last panel of it safari 2025, we’re going to talk about communities. The last panel talked about it a lot. In order to grow, you need a community. So, we’re going to delve into that and I’m going to invite the panelists. First on the list who I can see, Ibraim as welcome on stage. Um, then I from web three clubs, welcome. And then um Kong. Okay. Oi is coming right back. Okay. And lastly, Ivon Kagondu. can jump up. Okay. So first we’ll do a round of

126:30introduction just to introduce the communities that we’ve built the pro um and who we are. Yeah. So so my my name is Ibrahim Aziz. Uh I do a lot of different things in the space but uh in terms of community uh I launched the web 3 machinani community in uh here in the coast. Uh so basically the idea behind uh web3 machinani is to bring uh web 3 knowledge into the grassroots. So that’s to kind of uh get people interested and get people to know about uh web 3 where the such uh such kind of knowledge has not yet gotten there. Thank you.

127:13Salutations y’all. So um I’ve been a part of a couple communities here in Africa. Um one is a think tank called Mother Foundry. It is a student developer ecosystem that is focused on creating opportunities for entrepreneurs that are looking to move into blockchain and student developers that are looking to create careers in blockchain. Um we have a conference called W3 node that is oriented in Cape Town. Uh this will be our second year running that. Um many of you guys have been familiar with that. Um some of the speakers here have been there. Um but those are some of the communities that I’m involved with.

127:52Hello. Uh my name is Oeng. I’m one of the founders of uh Web3 Clubs. Web three clubs is a community of web 3 enthusiasts. Uh we’ve been around now for 4 years. Uh when we started were a developer focused community. The idea was to build the local capacity for web3 developers. Since then our community has grown exponentially and now we have members who cut across different fields. Um uh now I’d say we not only help build builders but we also help found founders. So a lot of our members now are you know we have people in legal, we have people in content, we have doctors,

128:42we have all manner of people. So we’re just trying to consolidate all of that. Uh cuz web 3 is not only for developers. So thank you.

128:53Okay. Thank you. So I’m also Ivanku. I’m a community builder um in it safari and I speak Kenya and other communities that have built in the past you can check my LinkedIn um so I’ll go with the first question um what inspired you to start your web3 community and that also involves the in event that you’ve talked about web three clubs and web 3 machinani what what inspiration led to that.

129:28So, uh I currently live in Nairobi but uh I come from Mombasa. Uh I moved to Nairobi back in uh 2023. And the reason why I actually moved to Nairobi is that I figured the the web 3 community at uh at this point and uh more so in uh back in 2023 was uh super uh saturated in Nairobi and uh these other parts. um we didn’t have so many people who are actually delving into web 3 and uh and building on uh on uh on web 3. So I made that decision to move uh after I found myself building in a silo. I was building alone basically. And uh when I

130:10came to Nairobi, I I started meeting with different uh builders, different founders, knew about different events cuz uh I came to it Safari the first time in 20 uh 23, right? So uh yeah that’s one of the inspirations. So once I got to a point where my building started paying off and things like that the first thing that I thought about is where it’s still uh where I come from uh this kind of knowledge is not uh is not being uh taken there. These kind of events are not being taken there. So the knowledge about web 3 blockchain um crypto is all still uh stuck on that

130:51notion that Bitcoin is a scam. We ran a a kind of a a market research campaign just to see what people think about crypto and we found that most of the people didn’t even know about crypto and those who knew about it only knew the phrase Bitcoin is a scam. that’s that that was the limit of uh of the knowledge that uh I’d say a great uh majority of uh the people especially in my community my uh background community has about uh crypto. So that so that’s one of the major things that uh led to us uh building the web3 machinani uh initiative.

131:32I think for me community has sort of been like the defining characteristic of success in my life. Um, I’m half Jamaican, half Chinese, raised in LA. I like to call myself third cultured for those of you that don’t know where you have one foot in a mother culture, another foot in the culture or the location where your parents brought me, me being first generation, but also being removed from my parents and them not being able to understand like my vision and the way that the world had changed for this generation. Um, so my entire path in my life has been through the opportunities have been through

132:10community because I went through a non-traditional path. And so when I was interested in learning about brand and development, it was someone that reached out to me and said, “Hey, I have this community where I teach these skills.” Um, and then me becoming a part of that community. And as you know in community, you when you become involved, that’s when you and when you participate, that’s when the most value comes. And then it teaches you how to become a leader. And then in your next pivot in my life which was in towards tech and development. It was me creating a community to sort build the

132:45opportunities that I saw that I needed. Um you know there’s the adage if you if you want to learn you teach. Um and so I’ve sort of lived by that principle and at each stage in my career it was okay uh I want to make this jump. where is the opportunity for that to happen and um when I couldn’t find it I would do so through community would create a community I would reach out to mentors and say hey I’m trying to understand this thing um and now that I’m at this point in my life where I found some success where I can actually bring

133:18skills and scale those kind of opportunities um I’m realizing that for my legacy to be of significance I need to create a community that can grow and surpass me Yeah. So I got into web 3 just like most people through you know seeking opportunity you know looking for money you know bitcoin trading and all that but I have a tech background uh my co-founder Matu we also take his we used to hustle together looking for clients as freelancers so we got into trading and then we did that um but then we had a bigger vision cuz we were always building in the past anyway And so being in the web space, trading

134:03was not it also like it’s nice but I’m a creative so you know we like to have expression in building like I build stuff and realizing that there was no local capacity for that. We always wanted to to build stuff cuz and then just the web 3 blockchain ecosystem really uh kind of embodied a lot of the dreams we had like around freedom systems that’s what I call them like sovereign systems. So understanding that blockchain can help us do things and you know kind of exist on this layer, you know, permissionless layer, trustless layer, we wanted to really see how we can be a part of that. So so yeah, so

134:54we, you know, we put together a team and basically said where can we find builders, you know, how do we do this? So we went out into different parts of the country, coastal region, lake region and went into unis and looked for builders. Uh and that’s how it started. Um we found some really really brilliant people uh did our first cohort. Um and that was the beginning. We did not imagine it would scale to what it is now. But basically the the the the desire to have your own, you know, setup community uh to do the things that you want to do is is is what got us started. Yeah.

135:44Okay. Amazing. Everyone has such a beautiful story. Um and how how do you measure a successful community? Is it the numbers, the impact, the outcomes based on what all of you have built over the years? I’m imagining it’s more than one year. Yeah.

136:08Okay. So for us, uh the web 3 machinani uh initiative just started about 4 months ago. Um we’ve done the first uh the first pilot uh kind of phase where how how we did it was we had a we had a specific group that we targeted. So we have this uh organization they call uh nurturing stars organization in Mombasa. So that’s kind of our strategy, not to look for individuals, but rather to look for communities and uh existing kind of youth groups and things like that where we can actually leverage on a collective interest to better themselves from the start. uh and uh presenting them with

136:53such a uh such a uh I wouldn’t call it a cause but such an init in initiative um just opens their eyes to what is actually possible for them. So how we measured success uh in uh in this first uh uh pilot phase was the subsequent interest because we held uh a physical event where we had about 60 70 people show up and uh subsequently we followed it up with uh uh more detailed web3 uh information and knowledge. So we took people through things like uh how to create their wallets. Initially in the event, we showed them something very simple, how to use Miniipe, which

137:34Minipay is basically one of the um easiest apps to onboard anyone new into crypto. They they what they did is uh we showed them how to get money in through uh on ramping um get money out, send it to their friends. We did like a small activity where they actually uh one of them would uh actually do the uh on-ramping and then they each send each other some uh some of the amount that was on ramped and then the final person actually goes on and withdraws it. So with that uh kind of thing they felt that they were part of this exercise. They saw uh that we basically debunked

138:15the their myth that they or their misconception that crypto or blockchain uh is is a scam and uh showed them how it actually works. We showed them through the mini apps and how DeFi um uh and other kind of uh plat uh projects and apps work and uh yeah from there onwards we did the online uh sessions and the turnout was still good. Uh the community has now grown from about 70 to 140 right now. Yeah. And we haven’t uh we are still planning to do the next uh uh outreach uh uh cohort. Yeah.

138:52Mhm. Okay. So thinking back to the question, what is the definition of success in community and then how do you measure community success? Yes. Check, check, check. Okay, cool. So um I like to think of this quote. It’s from an anime, one of my favorite animes, Ghost in the Shell, which is individual success is reflective of a strong team. So when you see individuals that are able to rise up through the ranks of the community that can find success whether in the professional or in their entrepreneur uh entrepreneurial journey um to me that is indicative of a healthy community. Um, you can use hard KPIs

139:33like, you know, number of people that join, number of people that attend, you know, all of the most important identifier. You know, when you walk into a healthy community, when you walk into a clubhouse and the vibes are super high, right? You know, when you can see when there’s a disagreement and in a healthy way, they can work through that disagreement without you having to be involved as a leader, right? when you can see other members of the community evoke a lot of those values. When you can see them, you know, uh uh testify, you know, in their own stories and in their own ways the

140:11kinds of values and experiences and benefits that a certain community can afford and provide. To me, those are the kind of indicators that show this is a really good community there. They are developing, they’re growing, and there’s a shared vision, right? Um I’ll leave it with this. Dr. you’ve all said in Sapiens, he talked about humanity’s ability to survive against all odds and all of these crazy creatures and as we evolved, you know, in this world and he said one of the most important things that allowed for us to do that was having a shared vision where as a tribe we could be like, “Hey, let’s go over

140:46here. There’s greater, you know, foraging options. Hey, this is a, you know, a danger to our community. We got to go out and we got to attack this thing and take care of it.“ or hey, you know what? Let’s move together collectively. Make sure the old and the young and the ladies and the children and everyone can move to this new location and we’re making sure no one’s left behind. Um so in my eyes those are indicative which is more akin to sentiment but um you know don’t dismiss quantitative uh KPIs.

141:19Yeah. So just as K has has mentioned there’s so many metrics you know like how many members how fast are we growing how many projects you know how many of us uh you know catching bugs and making money uh you know who’s you know how many cohorts you know like there’s all all those metrics but for me I’d say a measure of success uh really is in how value flows in the community. So for example, I know at web three clubs there’s the the value is exponential. So just being a member you learn a lot. you make friends. Um people even dating one another, you

142:05know, like like it’s beyond code, you know, but then uh another metric which I think is important is there’s the receiving, right? So then how much is the receiver giving back? So I think that’s one of the biggest metrics. uh and sometimes you see there’s not much giving back and I’ve come to learn that it’s not that people do not want to give back is that as leaders of the community you have to create structures for that right so it’s like do you have the mechanism for that I may be feeling like I want to give back but you know what are the mechanics or

142:50what you know what what structures have we set for people to contribute so for example contribution maybe volunteer work, right? Do we have a program? Do we have things that are ready for people to give back? So, for example, now we want to train some of the clubs in different parts of the country, right? So, what we do normally would maybe look for a grant or proposal, you know, but now we have so many alumni who are in the position to give back in terms of training. So, are we communicating this clearly? Are we making it easy for them to on board as trainers? And so so for me uh

143:33that’s the important metric is the flow of value receiving and giving. I think that’s what one of the most important things for me. Love that.

143:44Yeah. I feel like this just reminds me of like makes me think about it safari and the journey we’ve been to through and we were talking with the team like we’re so different outside it’s safari we’re always fighting chain wars the team itself we rarely get along but as you said shared vision we want a thriving web 3 community we want a central place where all all chains can come we want web 3 Christmas we’re calling it web three Kenya Christmas here at Safari and all that you’ve said and we have metrics as well. This is our the year that we’ve sold the most tickets for it safari. Um but with the

144:26list sponsors it’s kind of crazy but as you said shared value when we look at how many projects have come across have come from it and from communities like Machinani events um three clubs when you look at the ripple effects of it and the everything that is coming after yeah there’s what did you say there’s valueful flow and flow in value and yeah yeah it’s so Okay. Um, next question is, what is the biggest challenge you faced in sustaining especially sustaining a web three community? Because with web three communities, you’ve talked about grants. Um, but how do you make it sustainable and what are the challenges

145:15do we face as community builders and how do you overcome it? Also for us one of the major challenge that we have is uh which is which is a little bit uh funny because uh the biggest challenge we have is the distance from our community. So as I said I moved to Nairobi and most of the team is uh currently based in Nairobi but our first cohort is actually in Mombasa. So that that kind of distance and uh well online causes are are great and all but uh we also have a access problem in terms of uh how many people can actually uh come to those uh online

145:58sessions and stuff like that. So I think yeah for us that has been the main challenge but we our strategy of uh having uh kind of approach uh an uh a youth organization instead of getting people uh uh individually that if we need to access that the community uh uh at any point in time we are able to kind of get a a centralized person who can reach every single person who is in that uh who is in that community. This uh this actually happened uh in July I think when the deepest was happening. We but once we reach out to the organization as the organization we

146:52managed to fill half of that uh of that uh port amphitheater with web3 machinani uh uh web3 machinani code. So yeah, I think that’s one of the uh major challenges that uh we face as a with the machine learning community. ship. Um, very early on, you know, I’m, you know, as many I hope many of you guys see, I’m I’m very passionate about, um, the community. And so I will stay, um, and that’s something that doesn’t scale. And so um I found myself challenged with bringing in leadership or sharing leadership when it’s very rare that you can find an individual that has as much passion or is driven

147:39behind the vision as you are. And that was something that I had to learn to accept that not every leader in the community has to have your level of enthusiasm. Um there are different skills within leadership that can be delegated and that’s okay. Um the key is being able to keep the vibes in the tribe high, right? As opposed to me being the one that’s maintaining that vibe. And uh that was a very hard lesson that I had to learn. Um a couple communities crashed um because I couldn’t commit to the time and they had become so accustomed to me being the one that was the driving force behind

148:17it. Um but yeah, that was my biggest challenge. Yeah. Uh I lit I literally was just going to say the same thing. Um so like the community is uh it’s like a mix of energies you know like it’s like a vibes thing. So number one there’s a lot of hard work like literally hard work. So he’s talking about change management. So we have been running now for like 4 years, right? We don’t intend on being the leadership of web3 clubs for the next 20 years like that’s that’s not dynamic. It’s it’s still but then you have the core principles or the core you know like the stuff that works you know

149:09when you start off it’s all vibes you know but that’s the formula. So you you like you have to know web three clubs works because of OI is a really cool guy. Matu is, you know, he’s not the coolest person, but without him, you know, things don’t happen, you know. Uh you’ve got Allan who he will come around whenever he wants cuz he’s a busy guy you know but then he’s like the legal anchor you know like with him we are rooted in government we are rooted in corporates you know we have international networks you’ve got Koko who is our CEO chief emissary officer so she flies around and if she’s

149:59in San Francisco we in San Francisco if she’s in China we are in China so then how do we you know beyond me mu koko Allan how do we maintain the same or better right how can we do even better so like scaling uh into the future into other countries if web three clubs was to open a branch in Zanzibar. How will that look like with me not being there? Do we have an emissary there? Do we have a chief vibes officer there? Do we have someone who’s not so fun to be with but absolutely is needed? Like, you know, can we replicate the formula?

150:51So, that’s kind of future challenges. Uh in terms of present challenges it’s just the work proposals proposals you know how active is the community are we doing events every week like you know just normal work yeah that’s a challenge like all these challenges as a comm community builder I’ve felt them management leadership distance now like is that sustainable like for example with Apple. When Steve Jobs died, Apple is not innovating anymore. When Disney um left as well, then they had to buy big picture. Um what I found with Safari DA a chunk of our team has left the original visionaries of the team but I’m not

151:48really a fan of DAOs but this conversation like let’s talk about it is this it’s not sustainable to be the chief visionary officer and in the long run what if you know anything can happen you know

152:04I have a few thoughts on that so I think it’s important to understand that what we’re building in a community must evolve and that’s culture. The engine of culture is remixing. And so with every generation, they should take the vision and remix it with the original values but with their own personal twist, their newest data, their, you know, their point of reference in reality in the world and the opportunities and challenges that they have to go through. um when you try to keep something in its space in time, it becomes societal and that is not what we’re here to do. And so um just like

152:42you know any sports team, right? They may have had Michael Jordan on the team, but then they eventually got Derrick Rose, right? Once it was Kobe and Shaq, then it was Kobe, and now it’s LeBron, and now it’s Luca, right? the team and the leaders, you know, the talent needs to evolve and they need to have ownership of that and to have ownership means they should have the freedom to remix these values and these principles in a way that they best see fit the world. Um, and I think that’s important. I think so many of the problems that we have across the globe are because

153:21leadership never gave up the mantle 30 40 years ago and never gave the youth the opportunity to say hey you can barely understand email bro and now you want to sit here and you want to regulate crypto you’re still sending faxes you think I’m lying that’s legit Yeah.

153:47Right. So, it’s it’s that opportunity for society to evolve into culture and to become this thing that is really powerful and that is the um the remixing.

153:59Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. I I have some thoughts on that. So I I look at like I’m community as an organism you know like this tree is now growing you know and it has this branch and then the branches are branching and it can only be alive through the growth right so like an analogy I like to use is for him accounting was like web 3 back then you know it was like the opportunity you know like you go to school and and so all he knew was accounting now the the shest way toion is for you to make it stale, right? It’s for you to to to you know to refuse to

154:44accept change, right? So when you have a child, right? The child, right? So I’m in this modern age. So when I’m looking at Bitcoin and web 3, my parents do not need to understand web 3 cuz I am them. Like I am an extension of them. They they do not have a capacity to interface with this T. But a community just like any organism needs to grow. And now we will have to trust members of the community. dynamic as as these trees and these birds and whatever. So, yeah. Yeah, I think uh yes, I agree uh a lot with uh what you both said and uh I

155:41believe uh involvement of the community members in uh uh in the community’s decision decision making uh visionary of the of the community or something. uh kind of help the community understand your perspective and how you think about things uh of uh of this community uh that this uh but that the rest of the uh people in it uh feel they are part of and uh they actually uh get to understand uh feel part of what uh what you’re building and uh all that the community is about. So the moment you decide uh to either pass the mantle or something happens and uh leadership changes and everything, the vision of uh

156:26the the community uh can only uh get stronger, evolve over time uh depending on uh on what actual goals are. So yeah, I think having them involved really helps uh keeping keeping it uh sustainable because if we all have a voice, we all feel uh we all feel like we’re part of uh what we’re building and uh having uh that communal uh feeling uh I think is a very important aspect of keeping it actually uh alive and going in the long term.

157:02Okay. Um so next question is what tools do you use? Um here in Kenya um as ICP Hub Kenya we’ve tried using Telegram, Discord and all the international web three tools. However, WhatsApp is what has worked for us. I don’t know about you guys what what tools which community channels do you use? What tools do you use to when you’re building just for aspiring community builders in the audience and those looking to establish their own communities? So for web three machini we are purely on WhatsApp right now. Uh the main reason for that is uh we are not targeting uh builders or uh more techsavvy or uh people who already know

157:50uh about tech uh in general not even web 3. Uh I think for most people who maybe are gamers and uh and stuff like that you might find them uh on uh discord and uh the people who are tech oriented you’ll find them on telegram for one reason or another. So you’ll get them there. So, but for such a community that uh we are basically building from scratch, you tell them to uh download you you’d basically be doing marketing for these uh these other platforms uh to get them to to use it and uh not everyone would be a fan of uh actually downloading a whole new app just to

158:31access this one community. So uh we uh as web three machini we are of the uh uh vision of go where the community is. So our community knows WhatsApp. We’re going to start with WhatsApp of course. Yeah. So yeah

158:58check. Check. All right. We’re back. Um yeah I agree. you go to where the community is, right? You meet them there. Um, and uh I think that now more than ever it’s super important to keep it really really simple. Uh there is so much noise in this space and it is so distracting and so uh with that it’s whatever channel that is most native to your community and whichever channel that you can maintain with consistency, right? Um I think that is the second part of the puzzle that we tend to forget. Um because you know and I can’t remember the term but there is an anthropological

159:37term for when a group or a community loses faith in the leader or the voice and once that that social contract is broken it is nigh impossible to rebuild. So, uh it’s like having the ear and understanding that they are being heard and that they’re listening to you is like the most important like core aspect to community building because community building starts with content and a vision and uh without those things it just shrivels on the vine.

160:18Yeah. Uh not too much different. You don’t want your channels to be a friction when you’re starting. So meet them where they are. So for us now we are almost 4 years old and the needs uh of the community are now clear to us. There are some things that we need now that WhatsApp cannot give us. uh for those members in the community who are very serious about uh their contribution and their participation, we have identified some needs and so we are currently working on uh on community infrastructure not just for communication but for other activities. So you know for data collection so for example Google forms will not do it

161:08anymore. It’s not enough now. So, you know, on boarding new clubs, onboarding new members, uh, and providing resources, uh, structuring conversations and all that. So, I think we’re at a point now where we need customized, uh, infra for that. We will never leave WhatsApp ever. Uh, but yeah, the needs are evolving and that transition is happening organically. Yeah.

161:36Okay. Okay then. And uh are we almost done? But uh my last question is I’ve I’ve asked um about tools for the next people who want to build communities. But what other advice would you give someone who’s looking to build their next community before we open to the audience for any questions? for me. Um, there’s actually a great book about this. Uh, it’s written by David Pink, I believe his name is, and it’s called Drive and it’s what motivates individuals for success. Um, and what we have to understand is that when we open a community, it is like having a baby and we need to feel um,

162:26responsible for the life cycle of someone within our community on ramping and off-ramping, right? So what are our goals? What do we want for them to achieve? What kind of incentive structure are we providing? And there’s like three or four principles that he talks about. One of them is autonomy. So they should feel like they can choose any route that the community can provide. Um mastery, which is they should feel an impact in the value that they are developing for themselves that they’re cultivating, right? It could be skills, it could be networking, whatever it may be. Um, last and most importantly is like an identity around it, right?

163:07Something that they can take with them so that they are like this community helped me xyz and that needs to be clear. Um, those are three super important elements that will help you. Every community is different, you know, and the tactics and the strategy is going to change. Um but those principles are essential for members to feel like they are now part of the community and they can have identity through the community.

163:37So uh for me I would say uh the biggest advice would be keep it valuedriven. uh don’t open a community just for the sake because uh when I when I started my first community which was uh the aquap uh project um we we we started it as a as a very generic uh kind of say team for starters and if you don’t have it very valuedriven you get people who uh would be not very good contributors to uh to the mission of the um of the community and all. I think I don’t know whether it’s a general or it’s a culture of ours uh down in the coast, but we usually

164:25have people who are like, “Oh, uh you’re my friend. Yeah, I’m going to tell you about this idea about a community.” And we’re like, “Oh, yes, I want to be part of that.” But you bring that person on board, but then there’s not much uh they’re actually contributing. They just want to be part of it for the vibes and stuff. Uh we just had a discussion with uh with with the team where we were uh discussing uh like future plans and stuff and we’re all friends and uh we are all uh basically agemates and stuff and we can have fun together and do this and do that together. But at the end of

164:59the day, we also have to have that value that keeps us as as a community because without that, then we we can just go party together and that’s and uh and meet each other uh every other Saturday or something like that. Otherwise, there’s no reason for us to keep being a community. If all we do is uh just uh have fun and uh do something like that, there there has to be some value that comes out of that uh community as well. Yeah. So I think um you should have a genuine reason as to why you’re starting a community. Uh something that will give you a reason to

165:44continue even when nothing is going right. Yeah. So you don’t want to start a community. I know Hello. Hello. All right. So, um I think some people find community to be cool. Hello. Yeah. So, running a community looks really cool, you know, cuz it’s like a gang, you know, like those people over there, they’re chilling, they’re having a good time, you know. So some people do it for vibes, some people do community as a business, you know, it’s like, oh, you know, put some people together, then you can write proposals and get some grants. That’s unsustainable. Uh cuz for us, we run whether there’s money or no money.

166:43If I count the number of times I’ve paid rent at the lab, out of my pocket, it’s ridiculous. Uh, even where I live, if I tell you how much I pay in rent, you’d think I’m crazy. Like, I literally pay peanuts because most of my resources go to the community. So, start a community around something that you’re genuinely passionate about with people who you believe um can give the most value. Uh, not everyone in the community is going to give anyway. So like it looks sexy but it’s not. So So just do it for the right reasons. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. I don’t know if there’s any

167:36question from the audience. I have to throw the mic like Kadib. Hello, my name is Roslin. Thank you so much for this insightful talk. Sorry. Yeah. So I I lead the communications for the Kenya scroll node and I’m very curious because initially I was running a web 2 community and now I have crossed over to a web three community and I don’t think it’s any different from running a DAO where you’re trying to and first of all the word community at the heart of it is human beings right and so many tensions come up when you’re running a community and um so with the concept of progressive decentralization

168:38you So in web two there’s the thing about gatekeeping you know and so how what do you think is the future of what do you think is the future of structure of frameworks when it comes to running communities in terms of leadership and management where you’re also embracing progressive decentralization you know leader leadership or power is distributed among community members and yeah so in in short generally creating an inclusive community what do you think uh or what are the strategies you guys are using in your own communities as well. Yeah.

169:22Um so I think one of the most important things is ownership, right? So members need to feel like myself and some of the other guys. But then so when we have conversations and someone says you know what you guys you know what you should do is you guys you know the moment you say you guys that tells me that you are not in like you’re looking at me you’re looking at yourself as someone who’s separate from me. So anyone who speaks like that I I bring this to the awareness and I tell them listen if there’s anything you want to do or you feel that needs to be done you

170:03need to initiate that thing right so you can raise so for example the other day we were in the lab uh with bamboo and he’s like yeah you guys you know I’ve been looking at these bean bags yeah you know you guys should get these bean bags I asked him who’s you guys I said go to the group uh tell people that we need bean bags, put a budget and you know and just start it. Now he did that in less than 1 hour we had raised enough money. The next day we have cool bean bags in the lab and now we’re chilling you know the lab

170:42looks nice. On the same day we were having coffee and tea. So everyone was pretty like you know like yeah you know like the levels are high you know her tea you should try it. So just after we raised the bing bugs we were like yeah guys man you know this tea it’s like meditation you know and then I I told my mom we should have like a meditation Monday. And then she said yeah that would be so cool man. Yeah yeah. So then we DM’d our graphics person to do the poster meditation Monday. It was done the next Monday. Now that’s the thing. So that’s dynamic,

171:22right? But we have a comic book, the best comic book like ever, you know, we were just there, you know, chilling. We had the idea. Dennis had the idea. He’s like, “Guys, you know what you guys should do?” We’re like, “No, no, no, man. person just launched the comic book project and now it’s here. So a community is only as dynamic as how people feel they have ownership of it then it has tentacles so you don’t even have to know what’s going on. Someone could be raising funds for some like you know so so that’s the structure for me I think. Um what can I add to the conversation?

172:13Okay, this concept of omnidirectional innovation. You talked about a structure. There is no structure. The structure is going to flow wherever values created, wherever individuals can find leadership and ownership, wherever responsibility and incentives can be designed. And you know there’s I talk about two things when people are building community in the space. I talk about a book called or it’s an essay called the uh the cyborg manifesto and basically what it talks about is what does the world look like when identity is composed of photons and atoms when our real world assets and interactions are as valuable as our online interactions. Um we don’t know what that

173:01looks like yet. So the structure looks like something from the precamrian era where you had all kinds of evolution of you know fauna and amphibians and you know like we don’t know it’s just got to grow and whatever finds a structure that works for your community is going to be the structure that works. Um but what is key is you have to keep an open mind for the innovation to happen wherever it’s going to happen. could be through hot tea and bean bags, right? And you need to allow for that to happen. You need to nurture that. And when enough individuals in the community can see

173:40that they have the opportunity to push the innovation to drive the opportunity to create incentives for additional value, then you will see the real opportunity which is structure doesn’t matter. It’s really the rate of innovation and ownership and value creation. Okay, that’s it.

174:05Okay, we can take one more question. Um, Hi guys, thank you for the uh thank you for the talk. Uh I had a question for maybe very young uh startups or maybe projects that in the community at the moment. Oh, people who can uh Okay, real close. Uh for people who really can’t build communities for a start, right? You you maybe don’t have the the capacity to actually build the community because you’re not maybe a lot of people maybe you’re one person and you’re starting this project. Uh like how do you uh go about that? And maybe uh is it about joining other communities and building it from there or is it

175:04trying your best to to start your own community years to build one? So it’s for the very project that’s that’s my question. So uh I think uh if I understand the question correctly is uh how to start a community if you’re a like a new project right. Yeah. So uh first of all I would say start as close to home as uh as you can. or um whoever you know that would be interested in being part of the community because um if you’re starting a new project I would assume that uh you have done something you know a few people who uh actually uh formed the uh basis of your solution or

176:02rather where you got uh this uh problem where you validated that this problem is big enough to home just where you can actually uh relate with the people or the people can relate with the kind of problem that you’re trying to solve the solution that uh you’ve brought forward. So yeah, I can add my the advice my mentor gave me when we were starting IPAB Kenya. Um we had 0000 no community or anything and I wasn’t a dev but uh and my mentor told me um partnerships that’s where partnerships come in. He told me his exact words were but I’m sure it’s not his words. He said you’d rather have 1%

176:46of a trillion dollar organization than a 100% of a thousand organization. So that’s when I we reached out to communities that were already established like Gigi. um I don’t know every university in US at that time you know you had to go who has built can I just do one thing with you can I you know and that’s how eventually we had enough we had taken like two people from each community and we were strong enough to to do our own thing and say okay now we have our people who believe in us and share our vision now let’s work together yeah don’t know anyone else has okay

177:26we’ll stop there cuz uh I think we’ve gone over time. But I’ve really enjoyed this panel. I’ve learned a lot. Thank you so much to our dear speakers and um yeah um class dismissed. Thank you. Um so we’re done guys. Yeah, we are we’ve gone through all the panels of of it safari and it’s in two days. Thank you for sitting with me. I said I have a reward for the one person who stayed with me all through and I don’t know I haven’t to be honest I lost track but but this is just for the party.

178:13Yeah. Yeah. Ask a question. No, no, no. I It’s for the person who sat through with me for the past two days. Who Who was that? Who believes that that not leg? No, it wasn’t leg any who search with me. No. No. Was it Yeshua?

178:42Who who who believes that the one person Francis? Okay. Francis, I have a question just to prove that you were the one, the one person who was my class one for the two days. Is it you? He said, “Yo, Francis, yes. Can I ask you a question and if you can’t answer it, I’ll go home with my Johnny Walker. Come try. You’re shy. You don’t seem okay. Fine then. Who’s not shy? You going to come try my costume? You You’re going to try with me?

179:19Okay. Come. Come, Francis. And if he fails. Woo! Francis. Yay. Clap for him as he comes on stage. Okay. So, yesterday uh we did a we did a stretching. You remember? Can you show us how we spelled in Safari?

179:43Yeah. Yeah. We did we sponsed safari for those who are here. Yeah. You remember? Yes. Remind us. Yeah. Guys, come help me. Stand up. Stand up. We do it. Okay.

180:04You can’t remember. Not all of them. Not all of Okay. Let’s try what you can. Okay. Let’s start. Uhhuh. The E. The E. The T. There’s drinking happening here.

180:44He can’t recall. Nope. He failed. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. No. Who remembers? And you can’t help a friend. No, that’s not what I did. Yeah, that’s not how I put the the hands. No. Yes. Now has gotten it. Unfortunately, has been the one.

181:23Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you’re saying okay those who are voting for we give Francis forgot eyeh we can share Francis you promised to share with us is

181:48okay but you promised to share but for the courage of coming here and you said you’re shy I give you this Johnny Rocka blond blended scot whiskey to start your festival

182:01and please share with this guys short your shirt short okay thank you thank you so now Yeah. Okay. So, next part of the of the session, the last bit is where you guys tell us, you give us feedback, you bash us. You said we really tried our best to Hey guys, guys with me. Let’s clap. Clap for me. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. So, the next part of this session is uh balaza where you guys give us feedback. We we as the Safari team want your feedback. We want to know how we can improve the event, how can we can make you feel like a

182:56community, how we can engage you guys better, how we can work with you more. And so we’re going to fast arrange the the Haze into like a sort of school and we’ll be having the mics going around where you tell us. You give us No mics, just words. Okay. No mics. No mics. We’re just going to talk. You tell us, you know, you guys last year really bashed us. People were creating Twitter pages, shouting on us on WhatsApp groups. This how we we like crucify us now. Okay.

183:30Yeah. With the team. Yeah. Are you guys open? Yeah. Just feedback and you give us feedback for this. I think you’ve tried you. Yeah. Give us feedback. Give us all the feedback. Yeah. Okay. So, we’re just going to take like 2 minutes just arranging the hairs and then let’s talk before we head to the festival. And please don’t forget that tomorrow we have the memorial session for our late Kevin. Um and uh please attend where we can celebrate and mourn together our life well lived and um rest in peace. Yeah. Okay. Uh yeah. So let’s take a few minutes to arrange the H uh and then Oh

184:15okay. Hi guys. Hello. Thank you so much for coming and participating. I’ll help you guys so that we can arrange it in a circle. I think circles are really important for community. Okay. So the ones you know where Ibrahim is. Can you Yeah. That will be the beginning of our circle. Okay. So that la that line should be the beginning of our circle. So everyone that’s in the back, if you can come forward and take these these seats and arrange them in the circle, we’ll be good to go. Yes. Perfect. So if you just come forward, that also helps. Yes. Perfect. Moses, Chris, come. Yeah. Come.

185:02Heat. Heat. Hey, Heat.