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In the queue for a Channel 5 show in Denver, fans explain the difference between a pundit and a reporter, name the story in Denver they think is not being told, and answer the week’s question about what made them smile.

The best definition in the piece comes from a man eating ice cream on the pavement, when asked what a pundit even is. “A person in the media who’s trying to tell you how to think about what’s going on, instead of telling you what is happening and letting you form your own opinion. I don’t really respect that.” His case for Callaghan is that he is the alternative: “A lot of people are in a lot of trouble right now that is very confusing and hard to understand. And I think he’s speaking a language that people really relate to.”

Asked for the Denver story that deserves coverage, the same group names housing without hesitation: the crisis has hit the city hard, the city is not helping as much as it should, and there are, in their words, a lot of NIMBYs shaping how things go. One of them has strong feelings about the governor. His question for the world, offered just before he has to run: “What would you really be giving up if you led with love instead of fear?”

The week’s question was what made you smile, and the answers are small and specific. An FKA twigs concert on Monday. A birthday. The Artemis launch, “we’re going around the moon,” which prompts a brief and cheerful argument about whether the first one was real. A friend’s birthday.

Two people from the same group explain what they get from Callaghan that they do not get elsewhere: “He engages different communities, a bunch of different communities, everyone.” One found out about the Irish language movement through a Channel 5 collaboration with the band Kneecap, and gives that as the example of a thing he would never otherwise have known about.

A man from New York, who declines the label of journalist twice while doing a good impression of one, makes the argument most cleanly: “He just goes to places and talks to people. He doesn’t say things about places he’s never been, and then refuse to go there and continue to say the same things, which is what a lot of people do.” His question for the world is whether they prefer pizza or sandwiches, and he stands by it.

The last conversation is with a self-described news addict who listens to NPR five times a day and CNN even though it makes him angry. His question is about Iran, “a massive, beautiful, complex country that your average American doesn’t even find on a map,” and whether people elsewhere might feel the same way about the size and complexity of America. His friend’s question is shorter: “Do they hate us?” They argue about whether you should care, and land, roughly, on: yes, if you are doing the wrong thing.

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Yeah now it’s just like the third year. No I didn’t put it in. Yeah the third year, it’s my third year here. And things are finally starting to like... Yeah. Alright, what are we doing? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. God bless. What’d you say? I put these in my pocket. I said that was fucked. I know it sounded like shit. like shit. Let’s leave them alone. Your glasses. Oh my God. Good luck getting in man. Appreciate it. what time is it I don’t know. Can you give me a ticket? If they’re not coming? I think they are coming, I don’t know.

Let’s call them and see if they are. They’ll be here by 7.30 if they just texted me. I just want to go. Yeah, I get that. Let’s come over here. Do you want me to do it? Huh? Do you want me to do it? Yeah, yeah, hold on. Sick. What’s up guys? Can I ask you a couple questions before you guys head inside? No. No, it’s okay. It’s about to start. Yeah, some people are rushing right to get inside. What’s up? Could I ask you a question before you head inside, bro? Yeah, yeah, see. It’s gonna be a lot of that. Yeah, damn. I guess we’re kinda fucked, huh?

Well, I feel like what we got was pretty... I’m pretty content. Yeah, get the cool shots. Ooh. This guy. This guy says the right stuff. Like, what would I go see? Miguel? After Miguel? People had a lot to say. This guy’s trying to speed eat. Are you excited? Yes. Yes. Hell yeah. Oh, okay, great. Yes. Me trying shit in the last minute. Oh, my gosh. How we doing? How you guys doing? You guys are, like, eating ice cream. But can I ask you a question or two before you guys head inside? Sure. Everybody else is in a rush. I’m like, all right. You guys look like you’re chilling.

Full pun intended. Yeah, absolutely. So we’ll enjoy out here. Hell yeah. So what brings you guys out tonight? I passed a red line ticket to Foros, which you couldn’t come. Here he is. We’re also big fans. This guy’s doing important work. Okay, what makes it important? A lot of people are in a lot of shit right now that is very confusing and hard for people to understand. And I think when the pundits are trying to tell people what’s going on, people don’t get it as much. And I think he’s speaking a language that people really relate to. So I said that yeah people like Andrew should really be out there telling people what is going on a little bit more

Oh, yeah, people should use the word pundits. Is that what you said? Yeah, what’s a pundit? Talking heads who kind of have an opinion that they want us to also have I feel like a pundit is a person the media who’s kind of trying to tell you what’s going on instead of Well tell you how to think about what’s going on instead of tell you what is happening and let you form your own opinion I don’t really respect that so yeah Like it’s more on the ground approach Very well said. Very well said. Oh yeah. Your favorite video? Uh, we’re huge Phish fans. I love the Phish Slap video.

Okay, that’s it. Yeah, definitely that one. Fuck yeah. What about yourself? What do you like about this video? I actually don’t know the guy that much, so I’m interested to hear what he has to say tonight. Okay. What are your first impressions? Have you seen anything? I haven’t seen anything, so... Oh, so this is your first impression? This is my first impression. Alright, I’m gonna try and catch you afterwards and get your post-first impression. Alright. Hell yeah. Are you guys from here in Denver? Yeah. Love them. Okay. That’s why we’re chilling with you guys here. Do you feel like there’s a story in Denver Andrew should be telling that he’s not telling?

Or is there an opportunity for him? I mean, I think that the houses crisis has hit Denver pretty hard. It obviously kind of has a reputation. I think that the city’s not really helping as much as they should, and there’s a lot of NIMBYs who are kind of influencing how things are working around here. I also think, fuck Polis. Like, fucking big time. Who’s that? I don’t know who that is. Governor Polis, he’s the governor of the state. Denver, Colorado. Yeah, and he is just... Sorry, sorry, sorry. Now we’re in a hurry. We gotta go. No, I hear it, but thank you. I appreciate it.

Paulus. You want to shout out your socials or anything? I’m not super active, but CalMcClay, C-A-L-M-C-B-L-A-Y. Hell yeah. And you have a question you would ask people around the world? Um... What would you really be giving up if you led with love instead of fear? You know? Like, it’s not that hard. Fuck yeah, man. Yeah, yeah. Enjoy the show. What’s your name, man? Maceo. Maceo. Calvin, man. Oh, yeah. Nice to meet you. What’s your handles? We Them Media. We Them Media. On YouTube. Check us out, man. Enjoy the show. I appreciate you, Tim. How was that? It was awesome. Let’s go. He said it was awesome.

Fuck yeah. Let’s go back here. These people got to wait in line anyway. Let’s get them. How you doing? How are you? I’m well. Can I ask you a question on the camera? No, I work here so I can’t be on camera. Okay, that’s a good answer. Sorry. I’m unoffended. You don’t have to say sorry. What’s up, guys? I’m asking people some questions outside the show. Could I ask you all a question or two before you guys head inside? Sure. Let’s go. Hell yes. Yes. So my name is Maseo and I’m here with We Them Media. And I’ve been watching Channel 5 for a couple of years

and I’ve been doing content in the crypto space, but I’m trying to break out of that and use my networking crypto to kind of get people around the world participating in like grassroots journalism type shit. So we’ve been giving out 100 bucks a week to people who go out and shoot videos. Last week’s question was, what’s the most important global issue today? We had people submit from India, Nigeria and Kenya. And this week we’re asking people what’s something that made them smile this week. So I’d love to start with that question. Who wants to go first? On Monday, I went to an FKA Twigs concert.

It was a good time. Fuck yeah. Man of the culture. I like that. You’re outside. What about yourself, man? It’s all mine. Go for it. You can say it. I was going to say the same thing, but it was also my birthday. Oh, so double down. Yeah, how was it? It was good. Good week. Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. What about yourself? The Artemis launch. It was really cool. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah. We’re going around the moon. Yeah. You want to jump in? Yeah. I got a copy here. The Artemis launch. Okay, what’s exciting to you about the Artemis launch? We’re going back to the moon since like 50 years ago.

Do you think the first one was real? No. You said going back, so I had to ask. I like that. Do you feel like it’s a distraction? What is a distraction? Like this stuff with the moon. I’m like, is that a distraction? People say it’s a leading question. I’m not a real journalist. Nah, I don’t think so. I think it’s a real landing. Hell yeah, hell yeah. And what about yourself? Something that made you smile this week? It was my boy’s birthday. I like that. Celebrating the guy. Celebrating the guy. And so how long have you all been following Channel 5 and Andrew Callaghan? Years.

Yeah? Can I hand you the mic? Yeah, years. Long time. Okay. And what do you like about him? I like that he engages different communities, like a bunch of different communities, everyone. And what do you think is a benefit of that? I like that take. Yeah, he’s getting different perspectives that you might not see in your own city. so you can really see around the country and the world what’s going on. Are you from here in Denver? I’m from Indiana. Okay. Yeah, but I live in Denver. How long have you been here? Three years. Okay. Is there a story in here or in Indiana that you feel like somebody like Andrew should be covering

that’s not getting enough visibility but is, like, really a pertinent problem? Oh, gosh. I’m not really sure. I’d have to think about that. I can’t think off the top of my head. That’s okay. What about you guys? Do you guys have any things you feel like are the kind of stories Andrew should be covering in America? Personally, I find a lot of stuff through it. That kind of thing. So, I’m not that tapped in. Okay. And so that’s one of your favorite parts about Andrew is that he’s like surfacing information you said? Yeah, he can expose stuff I’m not really aware of. What’s like a standout thing you were exposed to by him?

Recently, we’re doing the stuff on the Irish language stuff. And I found out about it because he was working with a group I like called Kneecap. Yeah, fuck with Kneecap. I saw their movie on a plane like last year. I was like, these guys are sick. I watched that movie about the same time that that started coming out. So I found out about all this. I didn’t know what was going on. Hell yeah. I had no idea. That’s a sick movie. Have you seen the group live? Not yet. Not yet. I want to. I like that. I heard they have like UBI for artists in Ireland like this week.

Did you know that? No. Isn’t that insane? They get like over a thousand bucks a week or a month. I think that shit could be wrong. They start to like nine minutes. All right, fuck yeah. Are there any questions you guys would have for Andrew or anything you’d like to say to him? I’m excited for the show. It’s going to be awesome. Oh, yeah. It’s going to be a good time. Yeah, we’re excited. We’re going to be stoked. And if you guys could ask people around the world one question, what would you ask them? I think it’s interesting to get different people’s perspective on what they think of Americans right now.

Oh, that’s a good take, Kenny. That’s a good take. I like that. What do you think about Americans in America right now? Yeah. A one question. You guys got to follow that up. How are we doing? No way. I can’t tell. You double down on it. I like that. You’re leading with good takes. Do you want to shout out your name? I’m Elma. Hell yeah. I’m Ian. I’m Jake. Fuck yeah. And this is with We Them Media. Thank you guys so much. Cheers. Enjoy the show. I like that. How are you guys doing? I’m doing some interviews ahead of the show. Could I ask you all some questions? Would you be open?

Fuck yeah, so how do you guys find out can I hand you the mic? Yeah. Oh, yeah How did you guys first find out about channel 5 or Andrew Callaghan? YouTube okay, was it you know like like it was in your feed or somebody sent it to you I Honest I think it was in my feed. Yeah, fuck. Yeah, do you remember? What’s the first video you remember from him from them? Most recent one that I can think of though, like I don’t know about the first one, but something about LA, something about Skid Row. Okay, okay, yeah, I know what you’re talking about. Yeah, okay, yeah, then it was that, yeah.

Okay, and what do you think he does right? The other journalists don’t do right. It’s a leading question, but I’m not a real journalist. Yeah, you’re not a real journalist? Why aren’t you actively doing journalism right now? I guess so. My friend said, a leading question. It’s a leading question. I’m like, oh, it’s a leading question. Thanks, though. I appreciate that. I’m a real journalist. Yeah, like journalism is what you do. So, yeah. Yeah. It’s not like who you are necessarily. If you like do it, you do it. But I like that he shows up where people are at and he talks to them. You know what I mean?

Like you’re doing it right now, kind of, which is like kind of meta. You know what I’m saying about it? It is kind of meta, no? But I’m not a real journalist. No, but. I’m a meta journalist. Meta journalist. Yeah. No, but I think it’s cool that he just goes to places and talks to people. He doesn’t say shit about places he’s never been. And then refuse to go there and continue to say the same shit, which is what a lot of people do. So, yeah. Pretty much it. Are there any stories? Are you from Denver? No, I’m from New York originally. Okay. Yeah. Are there any things you think that are happening in New York or in Denver that you feel like he should be covering?

Or someone like him should be surfacing that we’re not really seeing the real story on? Shit. I mean, I don’t know. I think New York and Denver have either enough attention on them or not enough going on to warrant him showing up. Because there’s probably places he can go to highlight better stories. But we got local journalists in Denver who are taken care of a lot. Okay, who are your favorite local journalists? Shout them out. By name, I don’t know. But whoever does the Denver City Podcast, like Denver City Cast, I forget what it’s called. But they always know what’s up. Okay, well, that’s a plug.

I never heard of that shit. I’m from Philly. I’ve been out here like five weeks. Okay, I think Philly has one of these podcasts, one of the City Cast. podcasts so if you do like is it like public access tv type shit no but it’s like type shit type shit it’s like a network of uh of like just intentionally local uh podcast networks for a handful of cities in the u.s so okay that’s sick i’m gonna look into that they do uh they do monthly episodes just like let people know what’s going on about is that how you get your information how i get my most like denver centric information probably yeah

Yeah. Okay, that’s sick. Yeah. Do you have a message for Andrew? Keep doing what you’re doing. Oh yeah. Cool. And if you could ask people around the world one question, what would you ask them? Mmm. Damn, that’s a really good question, man. I don’t know. I’m totally stumped. I’m totally stumped. Stream of consciousness, whatever comes to mind. It could even not be a question. Okay. I guess I would ask them if they like pizza or sandwiches more. Mmm. Yeah. Okay. Pizza sandwiches. Pizza sandwiches, yeah. And you want to shout out, like, your name or your social media? Shout out anything you want. My name’s Liam.

Okay, shout out to you. That’s all you need to know. Okay. That’s good enough. Fuck yeah. Have a good night. Thanks, man. It’s for We Them Media. Okay. We have an Instagram. It’s We Them Media. Yeah, you too, too. Yeah, I think the only thing I would say is try to keep every interview under, like, a minute and 30 seconds. Yeah, I know, right? I’m like burning time over here. But I think, like you said, right afterwards will be good too. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is it. And this is my personal page. I’ll follow you back if that’s cool. Yeah. I don’t know what I did there, but.

Hell yeah. Good luck with whatever you are. Fuck yeah, man. I appreciate it. Enjoy the show, guys. Yeah, thanks. I don’t even know. I don’t know. But I think this is sick. You should get this on video. What’s up? Can I ask you guys a couple questions on camera before the show? No, it’s okay. That’s okay. Can I get like a video of the back of your sweatshirt? It’s like a cool. It looks cool? Yeah, sure. Hell yeah. All right. She said we get a video of the back of her sweatshirt at least. I think it’s a cool frame. Sheesh, this guy with the framing.

Stop playing with him. Stop playing with him. Professional. Hell yeah. Can I ask you guys a couple questions before you head inside? What’s up? Yeah. Fuck yeah. Okay, no stress, no stress. What’s up? Can I ask you a couple questions before you head inside? No, that’s all right. I hear it, man. It’s starting. Go get your seat. Let me ask me. Let’s go. A man of the people. What’s your name? I’m Jake. Jake, nice to meet you. I’m Mateo. Is this gonna go on the- No, I’m not with Channel 5, admittedly, but I’m trying to reach Andrew because I admire what he does. Okay, yeah.

But I appreciate you anyway. Yeah, yeah. So how did you first find out about Channel 5? YouTube. Okay. And yourself? From me today. Okay. When we got these tickets. Okay, you got them today. What was the impetus? You know he was supposed to be here like a year ago. I work right over there, right? Uh-huh, and this is like kind of old school. It’s the only they still have the playbills up on the wall, right? I don’t like apps and stuff so I for work. You know I walk by and I see the posters And I saw his a year ago, and then it vanished. Yeah, it came back. I don’t know why I show that cancel

You’re a rugger. You’re like a con man in crypto you rug people Andrew. Oh I’m just a little bit I literally saw the sign. I saw the sign, and I was waffling on the decision. And I was like, you know, I don’t even know what the show’s going to be. Alive? Whatever. It’s going to be very interesting, and I think it’ll be kind of cool. So I couldn’t say no. So I’m trying to get into this man on the street kind of journalism, guerrilla journalism. What do you admire about what he does that I can keep in mind, or other people like myself who want to take on his approach?

He, well, he has people out in the field, right? he covers stories that corporate interests don’t always like right and he brings great I think he’s kind of I think he’s courageous right I think his other his life it was team they’re all courageous and he teaches us about stuff we otherwise probably wouldn’t know about so that’s what I like about him where else you get your news oh it’s a mess I’m kind of addicted to the news it’s a really bad thing I listen to NPR probably five times a day this guy knows what’s going on in the world. Oh, I’m obsessed. Very connected.

I listen to The Daily up first every morning. Then I do CNN Inside Politics, which is like rage bait. It makes me angry all the time, but I still listen to it because I’m addicted. Okay. So that’s... We got the right guy. I probably have too much news coming... This is your guy. Yeah, I’ve got too much news to be honest. Okay, but like, what are your top five sources? Like, for people who want to know what the fuck is going on right now, I don’t know what’s going on. Why are we at war? Yeah, I would say... I don’t know. And that’s crazy because he’s an expert.

I know. I would say I think NPR. I called you an expert by the way. Oh, yeah. Thank you Just take that NPR can always be NPR can always be trusted. I would always trust NPR. Fuck yeah Trust is important. But yeah, I mean what else you got? I’m gonna get in line. Okay. No, okay So do you have anything you want to say to Andrew? I’m about to say to Timothy because my friend’s walking up Nah, you’re a casual fan of his and I think it’s cool that he’s doing live shows I still don’t know what to expect. So I think it’s neat that he’s doing it

I saw him a couple years ago he like showed some of the short films he’d made that he couldn’t release because of like copyright and shit like that maybe I don’t know and Then he had like a talent show I freestyle that actually won. I have a t-shirt Oh, yeah, I heard he has a talent show so that’s cool. Maybe you’ll see me on stage to freestyle again. Are you going in? Yeah, definitely. I bought three of us tickets. Let’s go. They’ve been housing me for a month for next to free Shout out to them. Well good. Alright well enjoy the show guys. Last question last question

If you could ask people around the world one question, what would you ask them? And this is for both of you It’s for both of you Yeah um That’s a really good question actually. See, I couldn’t let you run away. Is that a Donny question? No, not about Donald Trump, but, you know, I think Iran is a really good example, right? It’s a massive, beautiful, complex country that your average American doesn’t even find on a fucking map, right? And it’s always driven me crazy that we, Talk your shit. That we like, that we have these views, right? And I was telling my coworker this the other day,

I said, this is not the Middle East you think of. not people living in caves fucking goats okay this is a beautiful this is ancient persia right and he looked that’s right he was like and i was like i also wonder and i think the answer is probably no if people might feel the same way about america like um this is also a big complicated country i don’t think america’s is hidden right as iran is to us absolutely like iranians probably know a lot more about america than we do that yeah it’s probably because of our you know our cultural to me, you know, that stuff.

Solid take. But, yeah, I mean, yeah, it’s a good take. Do you have a take? It’s a good take. No comment. No comment. Do you not have a question? I do not. I have no expectations today, so... No, for the world. This is even for him, right? A question for people around the world. Stream of consciousness. Stream of consciousness. No comment. Do they hate us? Do they hate us? I’m sure everyone hates us because of Donnie, but... The question is, you know, should you care if they hate you? Yes. See, I would say... I would hate us too. I would say, but I, you can’t, you can’t care.

You can’t give enough shits about what people on the other side of the world think about you. Right? Because they don’t know you. I think if we’re doing the wrong thing, then yes. Yeah, but they don’t know you and you’re not doing that thing. No, I’m not. You’re not blowing up a school. But I would hate our country too if we were doing the things that we’re doing. Yeah, I would too. Yeah, there you go. And all these things people have done in response, I think, I’m not saying they’re right, but I’m saying I understand why you’d be angry. It’s all good. I know you guys want to run, but what are your names?

You can say your first names. Oh, yeah. This is for We Them Media, enjoy the show. Shaboom. Hey. There he goes. Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, woo. What’s up? What’s up, man? Do you want this? It’s late, an hour late. Sorry.

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