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Land, sand and savings in the old Abuja bush.

Eight minutes in Abuja, the second half of a conversation with the same man, and this half is all money: what things cost, and how he got hold of any. It opens with the interviewer checking a figure from earlier, and the answer is not a wage but a savings club. “I said we are doing contribution of ₦10,000 in the working place”, eighteen of them paying in every month and one person taking the pot, “we pay every month to give somebody, and that month to give the other person.” When his turn came he spent it on land: “So they gave me my own. I use it and go and look for land and buy.”

The prices are the point. “That land that I bought that time was 35,000”, he says, and an earlier plot went for about ₦6,000, in a year he gives as 2010. He describes arriving in what was then nothing much, “I ran into this bush”, and building from the ground he stood on, “As I was packing sand, I start molding block with that sand.”

Money itself was different. “Nothing like ₦1,000 in Nigeria”, he says of that time, and small notes went a long way: “to suffer, to see ₦20, you’ll be happy”, enough that “you and your children will eat throughout the week.” Around him it was farmland. “All this area you see where the blue houses are full of farms at that time.” People carried yam on their shoulders down the road to Kuba to look for buyers, and the trouble was never food, it was cash: “we have enough food that time, but how can you get this money?”

The way in was a shovel. Printing had gone nowhere, so “I just go and buy shovel and be seeking for how I’ll be loading tipper”, and while loading he watched who got paid. “I said, ah, these people are getting money.” He asked to join, got a straight test, “You go fit? I say yes”, and worked. A tipper of sand went for ₦4,000 split two ways, “Then she took ₦2,000, me, I myself ₦2,000”, and by noon of the first day, “I became great.”

Then the habit that changed it. Eating in the canteen, sometimes “at times I eat without meat”, he splurged once on “a plate of pepper soup and bring one bottle of stout”, and mid-drink decided: “How can I start saving now?” He handed a thousand at a time to a woman to hold, and the tape ends on the first room he rented with it, three thousand for the year.

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0:00AYou said, um, you said you bought your land for ₦10,000 then? I bought it, that land. I said we are doing contribution of ₦10,000 in the working place. Okay, okay, sir. Then after some while, they come to my own turn to give him my own share. Yeah. You know, we pay every month to give somebody, and that month to give the other person. We are 18 number at that time. Okay, okay. So everybody takes all the money at once. ₦10,000 each. to eat. Yeah, you know what it is. Yeah. So they gave me my own. I use it and go and look for land and buy.

0:00AThat land that I bought that time was 35,000. Wow, wow. Yeah, right now that you cannot give us at all. So I bought that at 35,000. That’s okay, God, I thank you. So a land of that, uh, the land of that, how much did it cost then? About right like now? That year, that year, that year bought this land. Yeah, it was, uh, 2010. I ran into this bush, okay? And start -- before I came into this bush with my children, I have a building at the end. As I was packing sand, I start molding block with that sand, okay? And then the building where I bought that time.

0:00AI bought the first place, I bought it here, I think about ₦6,000. To all these places, what right now, what should the value should be? About what range? That time, I’m telling the fact, you know. That’s what I’m saying. I’m saying, listen, that time I bought it ₦6,000. You see, ₦1,000 is not being created before, okay? Nothing like ₦1,000 in Nigeria, okay? Our highest money when I came Abuja here was ₦2,000. Wow. And that ₦20 is not easy to get. Oh my God. Oh, you see, to suffer, to see ₦20, you’ll be happy. I mean that you and your children will eat throughout the week.

0:00AWow. Food is enough. The baggies will have a basket of yam. Begging house to house who will buy. Then when I buy the yam just like this, eat. Then I will go and buy oil for the children, buy sardine, buy whatever, get here onions so that they use it to be kitchen. Yeah. If you inside that ₦10,000, ₦20,000, I’m telling you this. Wow. And that yam is -- you give them, um, 4 kobo, be thanking you. Wow. Asking you, can they bring tomorrow? Wow. And then there’s a road by this -- you see that river? Yeah. There’s a road by the side going to Kuba. You know where it’s called Kuba?

0:00AYeah. That Kuba, before you get there The people are with yam like this on the shoulder. Wow. Going to Kupa. When they got there, they were looking for big men to buy. And once they sold, they’ll be happy coming back to carry another one either tomorrow or who sold earlier will go for second point. Wow. All this area you see where the blue houses are full of farms at that time. It was farm. Even here you are seeing farm. All this area farm. Wow. So there’s no -- they don’t, they don’t have any job than farming. Oh. So we, we have enough food that time, but how can you get this money?

0:00AHow can you get this money? No way. Then if you pack sand, and what -- because of what led me to that sand work, yeah, yeah, I thought I need an easier work. So after looking for printing, I couldn’t acquire. So what I did, I just go and buy shovel and be seeking for how I’ll be loading tipper. Okay, on the process of loading tipper is where I got the knowledge Of packing sand, because I saw how we after loading the tipper packing those people sand. I see how they are paying those people that are that owns the sand. I said, ah, these people are getting money.

0:00ASee sand where we just load just now. See amount given to this guy or this woman. I said, okay, excuse brother. I call one of them. How can how can somebody have a um um way to start? Parking sign with you people. They said, eh, you want pass? I say yes. You go fit? I say yes. That one has nothing. I come now if you want park. I mean that I will come tomorrow. Say yes. So I enter with them, I mingle with them, I start parking sign. That very, very, very day I started, I park half keeper. The man, the, the boy that asked me to be to join them Also got half kipa.

0:00AHe want to sell, he sold my own with his own to make one kipa. Yes. Then we got ₦4,000 for a kipa. Wow. Then she took ₦2,000, me, I myself ₦2,000. Wow. I said, God. So by this time, 12 o’clock, I’ve got ₦12,000 and ₦2,000. I became great. You know what I did? I just put more effort and endeavor in the river. Because what happened? Because I got one fish. Wow. Thank God you are with me. The following morning I sold and got 4,000 cash, not half again. Yeah. Wow, wow. The food I’m eating in canteen, I eat -- at times I eat without meat. So I said, give me food.

0:00AThe person gave me food. I said, go and get me a plate of pepper soup and bring one bottle of stout. Life continued, life started, you see. Then as I’m drinking that stout, something come into my mind. How can I start saving now? Okay. And quickly I go to somewhere where that woman that, um, I living and, um, my load is in the canteen. Yeah. So, okay, madam, I will be giving you this money to be saving for me. I gave you 1,000. I pass her again, I gave you 1,000. So I did it, did it, did it. I hire house from This big, big room.

0:00AOnly that their window don’t used to be very small like this. This is the size of their window then. So what I did, I hired the house. How much did I hire the house? How much, sir? 3,000. Oh, whoa! For how long was that? For a year. For a year? Wow!

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