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Estonia put e-voting, health records and citizen data on a permissioned government blockchain in the early 2000s, years before most people had heard the word. Shirley grew up there, and explains what that does to your idea of what the technology is for.

“Our country was the first to ever adopt private blockchains,” she says. “It’s a trusted permissioned blockchain at the government level, early 2000s. So we had e-voting, we have health care, and all kinds of government data and citizens data and processes backed by private blockchain.”

She lists what came with it: e-residency, which lets anyone anywhere register a company remotely, and a zero corporate tax jurisdiction. And what is coming next: “We just launched a grant program for AI and privacy-enhancing technologies, to adopt these technologies even further at the public sector level.”

Her own route in was about money, and she is unusually plain about it. “I got started in this space like ten years ago when I was looking at investment vehicles that are low barrier. I was pretty low income, but I wanted to start my journey with something, and I didn’t feel like stocks is enough low barrier.” She moved to Zug, Switzerland, the crypto valley of Europe, and started her career there in 2018. “Ever since then, 24/7, 365 in the space. Falling in love, gone through ups and downs, and yeah, I found my space.”

She now works with Logos, which she describes as “a privacy-preserving, open-source, local-first blockchain,” providing privacy at the base layer and customisable privacy at the application level, with storage and messaging protocols alongside it. She also runs her own company, Satoshi Girl, doing advisory, outsourced development and fundraising.

Asked what people outside the space do not get, she does not talk about the technology. She talks about the door being open. “People think it’s too late, because they see the price of Bitcoin and think there’s no chance they’re going to get in. But it’s still early.”

Her definitions, asked cold: ETH is “a pioneer in programmability in Web3.” Bitcoin is “the store of value and digital gold for me. They’re very different, but they’re here to stay, and there will be something for everyone.”

And her message to builders, which explains why Logos is not only software: “We’re all about revitalizing the civil liberty and human rights through infrastructure, through technology, but we also have a social movement.” Over two hundred locations run regular local meetups “for people to detect local meaningful issues and solve it later with our help.”

Filmed at ETH Global New York for We Them Media.

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0:00So, what’s your name? Hi, I’m Shirley. Okay. Where are you in from? I’m from Estonia. Okay. And what are you working on? I’m working on a couple of things. So, I’ve been past eight plus years in blockchain and layer one protocol and ecosystem development. Currently, I’m with Logos. So, Logos is a privacy-preserving open-source local-first blockchain. Which provides privacy at the base layer and customizable privacy for normal privacy on the application level. And we also have a storage and messaging protocol. And then I have my own company, Satoshi Girl, which provides which provides advisory, outsourced development, and fundraising assistance.

0:40Okay. And how did you get started in this space? I got started in this space like 10 years ago when I was looking at investment vehicles that are low barrier. As I was like pretty low income, but I wanted to start my journey with something and I didn’t feel like stocks is enough low barrier. So, I got involved in crypto by by Bitcoin and other altcoins. So, and then I moved to Zug, Switzerland, which is free crypto valley in Europe. And I started my career back in 2018. I’ve been ever since then 24/7 365 in the space, falling in love, gone through ups and downs, and yeah, I found

1:20my space. Okay. And you told me a little bit about Estonia earlier. Tell us a little bit about Estonia and its history as like a progressive technology space.

1:29Yeah, probably probably I could have some technology running in my blood cuz I am Our our country was the first to ever adopt private blockchains. It’s like trusted permission blockchain at the government level early 2000s. So, we had e-voting, we have health care, and all kinds of government data and citizens data and processes backed by private blockchain. And we also e-residency. So, we have we have a very favorable tax jurisdiction with zero corporate tax. And by e-residency, we allow everyone to leverage on it by setting up a company remote. And um So, we’re like very front We’re like one of the frontrunners in adopting a

2:13digital innovation. We’re We just launched a grant program for AI and privacy-enhancing technologies to uh adopt these technologies even further at the public sector level. Well, yeah.

2:26Help me. I’m getting beaten up. You’re not the only one that’s been hit since you were sitting here. I um What do you think most people outside the blockchain space or tech space don’t get about the moment we’re in?

2:38What do they don’t get? Um Well, still, I think they don’t get we’re still early on. Like uh there’s still time to enter the space, uh pick up all the fast learnings, and uh start building, and uh and right away, because I mean, we’re we will see like trillion-dollar markets soon in RWA and um traditional finance entering. But we’re still early, so it’s People think it’s too late, cuz they see the price of Bitcoin and think like there’s no chance they’re going to get in, but that’s still early.

3:18It’s still early. I love that. I love that. And so, what is ETH? Sorry? What is ETH? What is ETH? ETH is a first programmable um digital asset and infrastructure. And uh I mean, what is ETH? ETH is is a pioneer in programmability in Web 3, so

3:40And what is Bitcoin? Bitcoin is the store of value and uh digital gold for me. And And yeah, so they’re very different, but they’re they’re here to stay, and there will be something for everyone.

3:55Okay. Do you have a message for the builders? A message for builders like come and explore Logos if you’re interested in local first, uh, decentralized infrastructure to claim to claim ownership and control over your how your data is being used or assets or freedom of speech. So, we’re all about revitalizing the civil liberty and human rights through infrastructure, through technology, but we also have a social movement. So, come and explore on uh logos.co, and uh yeah, start building.

4:25So, Logos is the home for social movements? It’s a technology stack and a social movement. So, we have over 200 destinations in the world where we have regular local meetups uh for people to detect local meaningful issues and solve it later with our help, like with fundraise help, um technology, uh building, um So, yeah, come and explore. We’re open to expanding to the further to further locations, uh but we also for builders we also have a grant program RFPs. So, come and explore.

4:57Okay. Excellent. Excellent. Any other X’s or something like that where we can find you or tag you when we post it? Yeah, so local um we have Logos Network on X, and just Logos as well. So,

5:09That’s cool. That’s cool. Don’t worry. Don’t worry. All right, thank you.

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