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A life told from poverty to laying block.

One line up front: the middle of this tape is a marriage he says he was pushed into, and he raises it himself.

Nine minutes in Abuja with a man the interviewer has just met, filmed for the channel and for poidh. It opens with the introduction, “Sorry, sir, what’s your name?”, the answer, “Mr. Loris”, and the question that sets the tape: how life has been “through his time, his generation, how it has changed him.”

It comes in order, with almost no prompting. “I passed through many things”, he says, and names it: poverty, and training that led nowhere. “I’m quite educated, but nowhere to find job.” At the worst of it he slept where he could, “I decided to go to a canteen and drop my load there and sleep in somebody’s canteen on the parking zone till I got my own house on hire in Abuja here.”

Then he went after the trade he had learned. “Let me go and seek from the work I learnt, printing. I’m a printer.” Walking the town produced nothing, “All is promise, promise, promise”, and the interviews went the way they go when the man across the desk feels shown up: “even some of them will interview me, then they find out that I’m perfect more than them, they will just say no.”

The middle of the tape is marriage, and he tells it as a matter of timing. At thirty six he decided to “look for wife”, and a woman he did farm work for “decide to bring somebody for me to marry, which I rejected”. He says he was pushed: “She forced me to marry that woman, and the woman is not my own type.” Three children came. The marriage did not last, “I’m no longer with my wife now”, and he leaves it at “But I’m managing.”

Why meeting anyone was hard is its own story. Thirteen years in deeper life, an usher in the church, “Every time I’m always with the Bible”, the beautiful girls in church all married outside, members told not to go with “carnal people, people of the world”. That leaves the question he asks twice: “Then who am I to marry?” So, “I decided to run away from the church.”

The last stretch is building. He carried block as a laborer and watched how it was done, because “building is most important thing to have in richness” and “If you want to be rich, seek for building, seek for land.” He asked an engineer straight out: “please, you help me, give me this chance and let me be a mason here.” The tape ends with him still planning that next step.

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0:00AYeah, this is for We Them Media. This is for Poyd. I just met M-Papi here.

0:07BHello.

0:09ASorry, sir, what’s your name?

0:11BMr. Loris.

0:12AOkay, I just met Mr. Loris here. I’m trying to ask him how life has been through his time, his generation, how it has changed him, and how it is now, you know. So, sir, what do you have to say about life through your generation and now and how it has changed? and how it’s connected, and just break it down to us.

0:36BThat’s good. Before I became -- I came to this life I’m living now, I passed through many things. You understand me?

0:46AYes, sir.

0:46BYeah, I passed through many ways, like, um, in terms of lack of things, poverty, you know. And I decide to -- it’s free, you see where I can get. I decide, you see, Enter reverse. Start passing some. I’m quite educated, but nowhere to find job. Pass some, pass some till I got to this extent that yes, I can be able to hire house. I was fighting with somebody. The person dismissed me because of him. He find out that he don’t, he don’t, it’s too, he have, he have helped me too so long. So I decided to go to a canteen and drop my load there and sleep in somebody’s canteen on the parking zone till I got my own house on hire in Abuja here. So after that, I decided to say, okay, let me go and seek from the work I learnt, printing. I’m a printer. Going to -- walking inside the town, going here and there.

2:05ANo way.

2:07BAll is promise, promise, promise. Or we don’t have the chance here. Till I -- even some of them will interview me, then they find out that I’m perfect more than them, they will just say no.

2:20AOh.

2:22BI’m an operator too, into the printing operator. I operate a debadge cutting machine. That’s for cutting paper. Then I also did other work, like offset, like this offset machine that prints a calendar. I print all of them. Then artwork, all this work, I know about it under printing. But later on, I find out that there’s no need of this. Why? The time is getting older. Let me -- my time is getting older. And now I was clocking that time, um, yes, 36 years. I say, okay, let me look for wife. Yes, I’ve got my own house. I start struggling, seeking for somebody. Under mining, what make me to look for wife?

2:22BI have -- I’m a farmer. After farming. I don’t know how to sell it, but yet somebody who I -- a woman, another man’s wife that I has to be go and be doing some farm work for me, like a washing of melon and other things, to stock the corn, dry corn home for me, decide to bring somebody for me to marry, which I rejected She forced me to marry that woman, and the woman is not my own type. The woman have now, as of now, I have three children for the woman. The woman have three, brought me three children, but the three children is on that partly before I got that three children.

2:22BNow we are we are no longer. I know I’m not a I’m no longer with my wife now. It’s a single. Oh. But I’m managing. It’s like you was.

4:29ADifficult to get a wife that time.

4:30BYeah, and nobody -- I mean, my mother is alive, is alive now. I can be able to say yes, my mother would tell me the right person. Oh, but I’m the one to look for because you know why it got me hard?

4:46AYou sure?

4:46BI was in deeper life for 13 years. Whoa. We don’t talk to women or gay. We don’t -- I don’t like any man friend. I don’t -- you can’t see me where people are You know, playing or drinking. Every time I’m always with the Bible.

5:05AOh.

5:07BSo all these things make me to be difficult. I can’t -- when I was very young, when I was learning this pretty work, I was, um, at that time I’m in deeper life.

5:21AOkay.

5:21BAs I’m learning the work.

5:23AOkay, so that was a hindrance to communicating?

5:27BWhich I that I served people life. I worship with people life for 30 years before I say no. The girls, the beautiful girls in the church cannot see them again. And I’m usher. I’m an usher in the church. All of them married outside. Then who am I to marry? And then we are asked not to go with carnal people, people of the world. Say they are. worldly people, I should not go with them. Then who am I to marry? So I decided to run away from the church. Took it by force, married anyhow. That brought me -- God gave me 3 children instead of keeping me idle. I could have been empty by now. Now I keep on striving, struggling. Why not again? Where can I? I don’t see what I will do again. I decide to go and be doing, um, carrying block as a labor, helping people, messing people. Because I think about it, building is most important thing to have in richness.

6:44AOkay.

6:45BIf you want to be rich, seek for building, seek for land. So I decided to go into building by helping people to build and to give them, serve them block. Mercy people, those mercies that are building, and serve them block. And also putting eye to see how they are doing it, because I know in future I will do it. Of course you will do it. So that is why I decided to be struggling with them till I came to some circumstances, you know, I’m okay, let me go and buy my own block. Then I took my -- I carried myself and joined one engineer. That time they about to start offstage. They have done the DPC, that’s casting of the starting of the offstage.

7:35AYeah.

7:36BSo I say, please, you help me, give me this chance and let me be a mason here. Watch me. I’m a very good nursing man, which I trust myself. He said, are you sure? I say yes. Can you do it? I say yes. If you spoil anything, your material, I will seize those things. Your working material, I will seize them. I said, watch me. I cannot. Since I’ve been working with you, have you seen anything mistake? He said no. The man came back, calmed down to me, said because I’m getting matured old. He will grant me that privilege.

8:22ASo do you think they were more considerate before than now, or you think they were more considerate now than before? Like how that man agreed to give you because of your age limit. Do you think they do that kind of thing right now?

8:37BI believe that I will do it because I plan to be a messi. That’s another privilege again. And that king, that messi can make me to Build my own house, and I’m a good artist. Yes, I can.

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