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An oil painter talks while the camera faces the wall.

Five minutes at the cooperative gallery in Brattleboro, Vermont, in front of one artist’s stretch of wall. She talks the work through and asks not to be filmed, so the camera stays on the paintings for the whole tape.

The inventory comes first. “I do hand-painted cards and small original little paintings”, she says, plus puzzles and a calendar, and then the work itself: “there’s prints, and these are all oil. I do oil on paper or Oil on canvas.” One canvas is an archipelago, islands she puts in the South Pacific. Then the one worth a second look: “That’s Phoenix. And, um, this is Hidden Dragon. I don’t know if you can see the dragon.” The dragon takes a moment to surface. “And then the dragon’s all through here. It’s Hidden Dragon.”

Asked how long she has been at it, she gives a number, “I’ve been an artist for about 22 years”, and points at the bio hanging next to the work. What she wants next is scale: “I’m trying to get into large canvases.” Asked what stepping into that takes, “it takes a lot because you really have to pull in the pieces.”

Mid answer, the camera question comes back. Asked once more whether she is sure she cannot be on video, she is clear and not unkind about it: “I don’t want to be. I really don’t. I don’t photograph myself.” A joke goes around the room about the camera stealing her soul. The person filming settles it, “Okay, I’ll keep facing the wall”, and that is where it stays.

What she paints is mostly her own construction. “I do a lot of abstract, and some come from nature and my vision of nature”, the rest assembled out of colours and images. Twice she has to correct the camera: the pieces it drifts onto are not hers, they belong to another artist in the co-op. More of her own is coming, though: “I also do sketches of little creature guys. They’re not up yet.”

The last minute is a shout out. Her husband is an artist too, “He’s a writer, he’s a playwright”, and he does comics, “All different kinds of things. They’re funny. They’re little characters.” The day job is elsewhere: “Well, right now he’s a product manager for an IT company.” But “what he’s known for is he’s a director, theater person”, and “And he’s put on shows in New York”, work by people he knows and by new playwrights. Asked for a name so people can look him up, she gives one, Bob Ferrante.

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0:00AI’m pressuring her. And I do hand-painted cards and small original little paintings. Um, and I do like -- there’s puzzles, there’s a calendar. This should be back here. And then there’s prints, and these are all oil. I do oil on paper or Oil on canvas.

0:27BOh wow, that’s cool. I wanted to like not have the light in it though.

0:30AIt’s hard with the glass, I know.

0:33BYeah, it’s okay though. I’m not -- I don’t, I don’t do any editing, so I just have to move my camera around and then they get one nice view and they can press pause. That’s who I am. Archipelago.

0:44AYeah, that’s the islands. I think the South Pacific.

0:48BOkay, that’s cool.

0:50AThat’s Phoenix. And, um, this is Hidden Dragon. I don’t know if you can see the dragon.

0:58BYeah, yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:03AAnd then the dragon’s all through here. It’s Hidden Dragon.

1:05BSo, and so what, like, um, what kinds of things do you draw inspiration from? Like, what -- how long have you been in -- Uh-huh.

1:15AI’ve been an artist for about 22 years, and it’s Um, pretty much, um, right here is my bio and, um, and nature and just --

1:28BThere we go. I got it. I got a good angle. Okay, press pause. Sometimes people need commands. They’re probably somewhere complaining, I can’t read that. Oh, he just told me to pause. He’s talking to me. I have fun.

1:40ASo anyway, that pretty much, um, That’s what I’m doing right now. Um, I’m trying to get into large canvases.

1:50BOkay. And what is it -- what does it take to step into that world?

1:53AA lot, because you have to really --

1:56BAre you sure you can’t be on video?

1:57AI don’t want to be. I really don’t. I don’t photograph myself.

2:04BBut would you survive? Would you hate me?

2:07AThe camera might steal her soul. What?

2:09BShe said the camera might steal your soul.

2:13ANo.

2:13BOkay, I’ll keep facing the wall.

2:15AThat’s good.

2:16BI could tell, but I’m listening. So what would that take?

2:18AYeah, so it takes, um, it takes a lot because you really have to pull in the pieces. I do abstract and I also kind of do some impressionist type of work, but I do -- this is not me.

2:33BI know, but these are yours though.

2:34AYes, and those are me.

2:37BAnd this is not her.

2:38ANot her? No. Yeah, don’t worry, she’s another artist here.

2:42BOkay.

2:43AAnd you can turn this --

2:46BI’m listening to you though. I’m, I’m making sure it’s entertaining to watch too. Oh, okay.

2:52ASo it’s, um, I do a lot of abstract, and some come from nature and my vision of nature, and some are just things that I’ll Um, create with colors and images. And I also do sketches of little creature guys. They’re not up yet.

3:17BOh, okay, but they’re coming soon.

3:19ABut they’re gonna come.

3:20BA sneak peek of attractions to come.

3:24AYes.

3:30BAnd is anybody else in your family an artist?

3:32AYes, my husband.

3:33BOh yeah?

3:34AHe’s a writer, he’s a playwright, but he’s also, um, he does, uh, comics.

3:42BOh really? What are your -- like, what, um, what are his comics about?

3:51AAll different kinds of things. They’re funny. They’re little characters, and he does kind of -- there’s all different little stories with them.

4:08BOkay. What do people look him up as? You’re shouting him out now.

4:13AWell, right now he’s a product manager for an IT company.

4:19BOkay.

4:19ABut he’s known for He’s known for like really what he’s known for is he’s a director, theater person.

4:32BOkay.

4:32AAnd he’s put on shows in New York. Oh, that’s interesting.

4:37BWhat shows?

4:38AJust people he knows or his work.

4:42BThat’s cool.

4:43ANew playwrights.

4:45BOkay. And what’s his name? Like, if you’re gonna shout him out.

4:47ABob Ferranti.

4:47BOkay, shout out to Bob Ferranti. I like that. So people, people can see your counterpart, you know. I’m sure people are impressed with your stuff, so now they can go find him and be impressed too.

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