1:08Jomari PetersonYeah, I mean, a lot of new faces and, um, a lot of old faces too. So, uh, in that way, once again, it is like a family reunion, but it is a good way to meet some new people, look at some new projects, see what’s going on. That said, well, what are you here to present, to build and share with, uh, the other folks?
1:30Kamal HubbardYeah, well, over the past -- since our last case, I built a protocol, a DAO, decentralized autonomous organization, on Avalanche called Snowball.
1:39Jomari PetersonRight.
1:40Kamal HubbardSnowball, as part of the ecosystem, we launched a variety of smart contracts. And within those, we had about $300 million in contracts that we deployed, serving the various users that came through that network. And from that, I gained a lot more understanding of some of the weaknesses and issues of adoption in this space. And one of the things that we saw was there’s a fragmentation issue. All the various protocols, calls and things you want to interact with the digital assets, right? You probably go to a different website, a different source. You go to Twitter, Discord, and you have to, um, aggregate all this information just to make a single decision about what you want to do with your asset.
2:17Jomari PetersonRight.
2:17Kamal HubbardSo we -- so I started working on PhiHub as a spin-out from that experience. And PhiHub is meant to be a way of more easily accessing, discovering the various digital assets and Web3 assets that might be of interest to someone, and then allowing them to execute the transactions that they need to access that, you know, the yield or the opportunity that’s associated with it, all from one place. So in some ways it’s an aggregator, but it’s an aggregator of the experience of Web3 on top of, on top of the native smart contracts.
2:44Jomari PetersonWow, amazing. So, you know, as I mentioned before, I’m here with the Internet Computer Protocol. What are you -- what is your familiarity with ICP?
2:55Kamal HubbardYeah, so ICP, I mean, I hear a lot of talk about it in regards to implementation. Majority of the work that I’ve been looking at from a data layer has been around actually IPFS, honestly. But I am interested more to hear about where ICP fits inside of that paradigm, right? Because when it comes to decentralized technologies, it’s not always just blockchain implementations, right? It’s a variety of data structures and methodologies aggregating and bringing everybody together inside of a common framework.
3:27Jomari PetersonWell, you know, I’m new to the Internet Computer Protocol, but I’ve been studying, and what I’ve learned is they have this type of technology called Chain Key Cryptography that allows ICP to interact with other blockchains. So not necessarily interoperability necessarily, but they’ve integrated the Bitcoin blockchain onto their blockchain.
3:52Kamal HubbardYes.
3:52Jomari PetersonAnd so now you can create wallets on Bitcoin using ICP. You can send and receive Bitcoin on ICP. So other services like IPFS are also in coming. encompassed on ICP to remove the traditional IT services like cloud hosting. So things like Azure or AWS would be eliminated, and all that would now be placed on-chain.
4:20Kamal HubbardOkay.
4:20Jomari PetersonHow it’s done technically, I can’t explain that to you right now, but I will very soon.
4:25Kamal HubbardOkay.
4:25Jomari PetersonAnd it’s something worth checking into. But, you know, um, I’m very happy to have you here, and, uh, just wanted to allow you again to just talk about some of the other stuff that you’re working on.
4:37Kamal HubbardYeah, I mean, so aside from 5Hub, I also support, um, a lot of, um, artists. So, and, and that’s from the NFT, non-fungible token perspective.
4:46Jomari PetersonOkay, there you go.
4:47Kamal HubbardUm, I’m really into algorithmic art, and algorithmic art encompasses AI art, right, as well as generative art. And generative art is typically code-based art where, where somebody is actually programming how that art is going to resolve into an image, right? Typically they add some, some randomness into that factor so that each can be unique based upon their vision of how this thing should turn out.
5:09Jomari PetersonRight.
5:09Kamal HubbardAnd I really think those 2 spaces are very, very interesting because you actually have this ability to bring those things on-chain. When it comes to AI art, you can put your training data that you use, hash it, and have that on-chain. So you can have a history and a provenance about the sources that are used to create the art. So therefore, it’s not just about the artist creating it, but also they can compensate or provide a means of demonstrating their contributions that brought to the art itself. to be. For generative art, it’s interesting because you can actually mint on-chain, like where the actual process of the minting is actually connected with the holder. So me, a coder, might create a piece, right? But then when I mint it, I’m adding the randomness that’s actually going to generate that piece. So now I participated in that process for that piece of art to be made.
5:55Jomari PetersonWow, wow, man, that’s on another level. But very interesting nonetheless. And I want to thank you again for stopping by the booth and being here at the Black Blockchain Conference.
6:06Kamal HubbardThanks so much, sir.
6:08Jomari PetersonAbsolutely. And, uh, we’ll be talking to you. I’ll be seeing you soon at the next conference, I’m sure.
6:12Kamal HubbardAbsolutely.
6:13Jomari PetersonBut in the meantime, don’t just make it a good day, make it a great day with crypto. Crypto with Kamal, and we’ll see you on the next one.
