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0:00 Right now, we're at like 27 minutes.

0:09 You've said a lot of things, though. I feel like you kind of honed in towards the end of the special. Let me double check to make sure it's recorded. But I actually do want you to kind of speak on this notion of the erosion of public privacy. Sure. Like, in brevity, to at least explain what that, what you see as concerning about that and where you see that. I feel like that's more accessible to people than a lot of stuff that you've been talking about, I feel like. Yeah. Yeah, I love, like, as we close out the interview, Sam, for you to speak a little more about, you mentioned the erosion of public privacy earlier in this interview, and I feel like I know a lot of stuff that you're speaking about is pretty high level in terms of, like, the technical components, and, like, what does it mean to be decentralizing these things, and, you know, how is AI introducing, like, new opportunities for our lives technologically, and I feel like so many people don't even use ChatDBTs because they're not clear on how to, even though now we've got AI in Google, we Google anything, it's when you get ChatDBT results first, not ChatDBT, but, you know, an AI model.

1:00 So I'm really curious to hear you break down this concern that you have around public privacy I feel like that might be a little more accessible for my audience And I think it seems like that's something you're really knowledgeable about So I'd love for you to share this It's something I think about quite a lot I look at a country like China where they have surveillance everywhere If you jaywalk, you're identified and fined And that's one place where we can see, maybe from an American perspective, it's dystopian, what it looks like if you don't have public privacy. And I think what we see in America is private companies, by releasing devices, introducing erosions of public privacy.

1:47 So like, for example, ring doorbells, right, that are like kind of placing a bunch of eyes in this like, like for like a bunch of surveillance eyes, right, to see what's happening in an area. This is like one like example. But I think when people walk around with like these kind of pendants, by beginning to capture the audio, what's happening around them, public spaces may become like, you have almost this, In the same way you know you might be surveilled, like I live in New York, I live in Manhattan, I know there are cameras everywhere as I walk around. I grew up in Las Vegas, right? If you walk around Las Vegas, there's cameras everywhere. But we now might have this for audio. And so when you're saying something, you think you might be saying something privately, but it might be captured by someone, right? Somebody could be wearing a device like this, and how do you know, right?

2:41 Yeah, this one, I usually keep it off. And I'll turn it on if I'm having an interesting conversation. I'm like, all right, let me turn this on so we can capture this. But it's partially because it's like a new norm. Like, how do I set this new norm? How do I tell people, hey, I might be recording all the time? Do people trust me less? They're like, oh, that guy might record me. You know, like, but it's also like the nature of like when phones came out, right? There's like, like, all of a sudden, people could like take pictures of other people, right? initially it's kind of like maybe a little weird but then all of a sudden it's super normal you're on the beach people taking pictures like you know nobody's like stop stop taking pictures of me yeah yeah stop yeah you occasionally some circles especially like you sometimes in crypto circles there people like don't take my picture yeah which you'll get and so that's like you as a person with a camera I do get that yeah and so I think like this will happen more with I think audio I think people become more aware of like there's a ground

3:40 that they're seeding. But there's also like different laws in different places. Like I know Nevada, it's a one party state. If I, if I'm recording myself, I can record myself and whatever. People can record phone calls, like, like on one side of their phone call, right? So like in Nevada, other states, it differs in every state. But I think the presumption that like, oh, we're in public, I just like, I can like say whatever. And like, It might be captured and maybe if like for whatever reason maybe it could be used because it's a digital artifact like let's say there's a crime that happened someone's wearing one of these devices okay we need all of the recordings right yeah it's like a new ground so I think what the norms are for this how do you let people know you're wearing one does that matter like in five years in five years people even care right or does everyone have these because they're so useful and

4:40 I think that's like a, it's really worth grappling with because it's like, you can't like undo some things you can't undo, you know Yeah, things happen, you gotta deal with the consequences, you know, you gotta be proactive in that sense Well, I really appreciate you coming on the podcast, sharing with my audience some of your perspective, what you've been working on I stoked to reconnect with you out here and like, it seems like the East Denver of Europe, you know Yeah, it is actually My first time, East Denver, I met you there, my first time at ECC, I mean I mean, I'll fuck with that

5:11 and yeah, I really let me just do this shit alright, I'm like over here that's way you can have this feeling but yesterday I interviewed Coco and she was doing it that's why I said you shit over there because I didn't like having my guests do that but I appreciate you coming on the podcast and I hope that in the future we can get you to return and really hear more about how your perspectives on, you know, the erosion of public privacy, how that's going and you know what we can do about it and really how your project is kind of seeding opportunities to think more critically about that

5:39 And good luck with your startup I know you're trying to raise, you've got lots going on You're hustling Yeah, you've got to work You've got to work, nothing's free Well thank you again, do you have any final words you want to share with my audience before we kind of close out? Just thanks for listening If you want to say what's up, you can find me at Sam Baffa on Most socials Until next time Thank you everybody for listening, for tuning in For hearing about this man's journey Into the space, what he's up to and why I think it's so important for us to document people like yourself pioneering the space, you know, I really want to make an effort to document more black women in this space, I feel like I've done a good number of black men now, but I know there's one person in this space in so many new directions, pushing technology in so many new directions, and I'm excited to lean more into that, today I wasn't actually planning to be here, I was going to go to the ETH Global Hackathon, and I couldn't get in because I didn't register, but there were a couple of women out there I was supposed to interview today, so I was kind of bummed, but it feels like it's all in God's timing, you know, I feel like I was supposed to be here, some of my friends had their first event here today, downstairs, Russ and Trav, and I meet you again,

6:39 So I feel like, you know, there's nothing wrong So, you know, it's been a good day This is a special interview to me because I feel like you were a part of my journey In a certain kind of way And I like to go back and, you know, recognize those people And really kind of give back in a certain kind of way I know before when I spoke to you, you said, oh, I'd love to be on your podcast And talk more about, like, the developer side of things And here we are, talking about high-level technical stuff Yeah, yeah, let's go Made it You know, we should do it

7:01 So I appreciate you so much, so good to see you, Sam Sam's brother might be adding in this If you do, thank you Shout out Josh, you know Shout out to the community And I appreciate you once again for being on here I'd like to say booyah to close out my interview 3, 2, 1, booyah And thank you everybody Peace That was great