The Erosion of Public Privacy, Sam | Brussels

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0:00 Yes, it is. You've said a lot of things, though. I feel like you kind of honed in towards the end, especially. Cool. Let me double check. I'm sure it's recorded. But I actually do want you to kind of speak on this notion of the erosion of public privacy. Sure. Like, in brevity, to at least, like, explain, like, what that, like, what you see as concerning about that and where you see that. I feel like that's, like, that's more accessible to people than a lot of stuff that you've been talking about, I feel like. Yeah, I love, like, as we close out the interview, Sam, for you to speak a little bit more about, you mentioned the erosion of public privacy earlier in this interview.

0:29 And I feel like I know a lot of stuff that you're speaking about is pretty high level in terms of like the technical components and like what does it mean to be decentralizing these things and, you know, how is AI introducing like a new opportunity into our lives technologically. And I feel like so many people don't even use ChatDBTs because they're not clear on how to, even though now we got AI in Google. You Google anything, you get ChatDBT results first, not ChatDBT, but, you know, an AI model. So I'm really curious to hear you break down like, yeah, this concern that you have around public privacy.

0:57 I feel like that might be a little more accessible for my audience. And I think it seems like that's something you're really knowledgeable about So I'd love for you to share with us It's something I think about quite a lot I look at a country like China Where they have surveillance everywhere If you jaywalk, you're identified and fined And that's one place where we can see Maybe from an American perspective, it's dystopian Like, what it looks like if you don't have, like, public privacy And I think what we see in America is, like, private companies By releasing devices, introducing erosion to public privacy So, like, for example, ring doorbells, right?

1:42 That are, like, kind of placing a bunch of eyes In this, like, for, like, a bunch of surveillance eyes, right? To see what's happening in an area This is, like, one, like, example But I think when people walk around with these kind of pendants, beginning to capture the audio, what's happening around them, public spaces may become like, you have almost this, in the same way you know you might be surveilled, like I live in New York, I live in Manhattan, I know there are cameras everywhere, as I walk around, I grew up in Las Vegas, right, if you walk around Las Vegas, there's cameras everywhere, but we now might have this for audio.

2:24 And so when you're saying something, you think you might be saying something privately, but it might be captured by someone, right? Somebody could be wearing a device like this, and how do you know, right? Like, yeah, this one, I usually keep it off, and I'll turn it on if I'm having an interesting conversation. I'm like, all right, let me turn this on so we can capture this. But it's partially because it's like a new norm. Like, how do I set this new norm? How do I tell people, hey, I might be recording all the time? Do people trust me less? They're like, oh, that guy might record me, you know?

2:53 But it's also the nature of when phones came out There was like, all of a sudden people could take pictures of other people Initially it's kind of maybe a little weird, but then all of a sudden it's super normal You're on the beach, people taking pictures, nobody's like, stop, stop taking pictures of me Yeah, yeah, yeah, stop Yeah, you occasionally, some circles, especially, sometimes in crypto circles There are people who don't take my picture, which you'll get As a person with a camera, I do get that Yeah, and so I think this will happen more with audio I think people will become more aware that there's ground that they're seeding

3:33 But there's also different laws in different places I know Nevada is a one-party state If I'm recording myself, I can record myself and whatever People can record phone calls on one side of their phone call right, so like in Nevada, other states, it differs in every state, but I think the presumption that like, oh, we're in public, I just like, I can like say whatever, and like it might be captured, and maybe if like, for whatever reason, maybe it could be used because there's a digital artifact, like if you, like let's say there's a crime that happened, someone's wearing one of these devices, okay, we need all of the recordings, right, it's like a

4:16 New Ground. So, I think what the norms are for this, how do you let people know you're wearing one? Does that matter? Like, in five years? In five years, do people even care? Right? Or does everyone have these because they're so useful? And I think that's like a, it's really worth grappling with because it's like, you can't like undo, some things you can't undo, you know? Yeah, I think so. And you got to deal with the consequences, you know? You got to be proactive in that sense. Yeah, well, I really appreciate you coming on the podcast. I'm sharing with my audience some of your perspective, what you've been working on. I just hope to reconnect

4:51 with you out here. It seems like the ETH Denver of Europe. Yeah, it is. That's pretty cool. My first time at ETH Denver, I met you there. My first time at ETH CC, I'm meeting you. Yeah, well, I'm a Russell. I'm going to fuck with that. And yeah, I really, let me just do this shit. All right, I'm like over here. It's waving at this feeling. But yesterday I interviewed Coco and she was doing it. That's why I said you shit over there because I didn't I don't like having my guests do that but I appreciate you coming on the podcast and I hope that in the future we can get you to return and really hear more about how your perspectives on you know the erosion of public privacy how that's going and you know what we can do about it and really how your project is kind of seeding opportunities to think more critically about that yeah and good luck with your startup I know you're trying to raise you got lots going on you're hustling yeah so kudos to you gotta work you gotta work nothing's free so yeah yeah but thank you again do you have any final words you want to share with my audience before we kind of close out

5:44 Just thanks for listening If you want to say what's up, you can find me at Sam Baffa On, I don't know, most socials So, until next time Until next time, yeah, thank you everybody for listening For tuning in, for hearing About this man's journey into the space, what he's up to And why, I think it's so important For us to document people like yourself pioneering The space, you know, I really want to make an effort To document more black women in this space, I feel like I've done A good number of black men now, but I know this woman Pushing this space in so many new directions

6:11 Pushing technology in so many new directions And I'm excited to lean more into that Today I wasn't actually planning to be here I was going to go to the ETH Global Hackathon And I couldn't get in because I didn't register But there were a couple of women out there I was supposed to interview today So I was kind of bummed But it feels like it's all in God's timing I feel like I was supposed to be here Some of my friends had their first event here today Downstairs, Russ and Trav And I'm meeting you again So I feel like there's nothing wrong So it's been a good day

6:35 This is a special interview to me Because I feel like you were a part of my journey In a certain kind of way And I like to go back and recognize those people And really kind of give back in a certain kind of way I know before when I spoke to you, you said, oh, I'd love to be on your podcast and talk about the developer side of things. And here we are talking about high-level technical stuff. Yeah, yeah, let's go. We made it. You know, we did make it. So I appreciate you so much. So good to see you, Sam. Sam's brother might be editing this.

6:58 Hopefully. Thank you. Shout out, Josh. Shout out the community. And I appreciate you once again for being on here. I'd like to say booyah to close out my interview. So three, two, one, booyah. And thank you, everybody. Peace. Peace. That was great Thank you I had to wake up, I really am tired I have to be up until like 6am tomorrow for my training Do you guys look